Committee on Finance

Thursday, June 4, 2026, 10 a.m. (New York City time), Council Chambers - City Hall

Committee: Committee on Finance

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0:00 Want to say we really

0:00 appreciate the fact you guys

0:01 printed so many copies for us,

0:03 and that goes a long

0:05 . Way. Welcome, commissioner

0:07 aaron dalton and your team and

0:08 thank you all for joining us

0:11 today to answer questions on

0:13 May 12 2026, the

0:14 administration released the

0:16 executive financial plan for f

0:17 I 26 2 30 with a proposed 2

0:20 7budget $124.7 billion hr is

0:24 proposed fiscal 27 budget of

0:28 represents 11.7% of the

0:30 administration's proposed a 2

0:32 7budget in the executive plan

0:34 and this is a decrease of or

0:36 point 2% from the originally

0:41 budgeted in the 27 preliminary

0:45 plan. This decrease results

0:46 from several actions, mostly

0:47 City effects cost containment

0:49 plans and cash assistance re

0:50 estimate savings as of April

0:52 26, it jury's actual head

0:53 count is 10810 and budget head

0:57 count is 12445 wit ah vacancy

1:00 rate of 13.1% proposed 2

1:04 7budget of represents 3.4% of

1:08 the administration's proposed

1:10 27 budget and this is a

1:12 8.9% from the originally

1:19 budgeted in the f a 27

1:22 preliminary plan. This

1:23 decrease results from several

1:24 actions, including the shelter

1:25 cost containment plan, a re

1:27 estimate to project costs for

1:29 the asylum seeker response and

1:30 the elimination of 183

1:31 positions at the as of April

1:36 26 justice actual head count

1:37 is 1616, and the budget had

1:41 account is 2021, a vacancy

1:43 rate of 20% in the counsel's

1:46 preliminary budget response we

1:47 called on the Mayor to add 8

1:51 21 million 2 juries budget t

1:52 oinvest in fair fares to more

1:55 accurately budget for hossa

1:56 emergency shelters and to

1:57 baseline one time funding

1:58 added in fiscal 26, only for

2:02 housing stability, micrograms

2:05 for impacted individuals. The

2:06 anti harassment tenant

2:07 protection legal services

2:09 program and to continue

2:10 funding the legal services

2:12 pilot for survivors and

2:15 divorce proceedings. We were

2:16 pleased to see that a request

2:16 was partially included in the

2:17 plan with more than half of

2:19 our totalundi fng request for

2:21 f being included and baseline

2:23 in the out years. However, we

2:25 continue to hear the same

2:26 contracting issues from human

2:29 service providers as a forme

2:30 rof a community based

2:31 organization. I'm all too

2:32 familiar with the struggles

2:33 providers face when

2:34 reimbursements are not made in

2:36 a timely manner delayed

2:38 reimbursements. Put those in

2:39 difficult positions where they

2:40 end up scrambling to make

2:41 payroll and ensure that

2:43 services do not get disrupted

2:46 in addition to delays and

2:47 reimbursements to providers

2:48 have experienced stagnant

2:50 reimbursement rates frequent

2:51 changes in contracting steps

2:52 and approvals and few

2:54 opportunities to expan

2:55 dservices and funding these

2:57 issues on top of vo those

2:58 losses of federal dollars post

3:01 further challenges t

3:02 oorganizations that serve the

3:04 most vulnerable residents of

3:05 our City. I look forward to

3:07 hearing from you, commissioner

3:08 on how will help human

3:11 resources, human resources

3:13 providers and our most

3:13 vulnerable residents through

3:15 these challenges now and in

3:15 the years to come and I now

3:18 want to turn to my co chair of

3:20 this hearing chairman chair

3:21 and Council Member Hudson for

3:23 her opening statement. Thank

3:24 . You so much chair Lee and

3:26 good morning. I'm Crystal

3:27 Hudson of the general welfare

3:28 committee and my pronouns or

3:31 she her? Thank you for joining

3:32 us for the fiscal 20 27

3:34 executive budget hearing for

3:35 the general welfare committee.

3:37 We will hear from to agencies,

3:39 the human resources

3:40 administration, or h and and

3:41 the department of homeless

3:44 services testifying under the

3:45 umbrella of the department of

3:46 social services, or I'm

3:49 pleased to be here with my

3:50 colleague, chair of the

3:51 committee on finance council

3:53 member Linda Lee, city's

3:54 proposed fiscal 20 2

3:56 7executive budget totals $124.7

4:00 billion, of which or 15.1%

4:06 funds, making it the secon

4:07 dlargest agency budget after

4:08 the department of education

4:11 .this encompasses $14.6 billion

4:18 for 4. Two to billion for

4:19 . There were notable changes

4:20 made in the executive plan for

4:21 both agencies saw New needs

4:22 totaling 234 to me $235.4

4:27 million in fiscal 2027

4:29 ,growing to approximately $263

4:32 million in the out years for

4:35 several programs, including

4:35 domestic violence, shelters,

4:38 legal services, fair fares and

4:39 agencies staffing due to the

4:41 savings mandates and vacancy

4:42 reductions required by the

4:44 Mayor mayor's executive order

4:49 $1275.2 million in savings and

4:50 fiscal 2027 and $274.1 millio

4:55 nin savings baseline starting

4:57 in fiscal 20028, the largest

4:59 savings will be achieved in

5:00 the City thefts program

5:01 through a containment pla

5:05 nonly saw New needs in fiscal

5:06 20 26 with $72.7 million added

5:10 for operational costs at

5:11 contract and shelter providers

5:12 and maintenance of it programs

5:17 . Executive plan include

5:17 dsavings of $356.7 million I

5:20 nfiscal 20 27, largely from a

5:23 shelter cost containment plan

5:24 with the level of savings

5:25 decreasing in the out years.

5:28 The council's budget response

5:29 called on the administration

5:30 to restore baseline one year

5:32 funding included in fiscal

5:35 2026, only for joint

5:35 priorities, and I was glad t

5:36 osee that the administration.

5:39 Baseline, $25 million starting

5:40 in fiscal 20 27 to support

5:42 their fares as well as

5:43 baseline funding for legal

5:46 services, housing stability

5:46 micro grants for domestic

5:48 violence impacted individuals

5:49 and to continue the legal

5:50 services pilot for and divorce

5:55 proceedings.

5:55 Well, I know all agencies

5:56 were under a mayoral mandate

5:58 to generate savings. I'm

5:58 concerned about how the

6:00 vacancy reductions, which

6:00 eliminated 183 positions at

6:03 and 79 positions at impact the

6:07 agency's ability to maintain

6:08 their current level of

6:09 services at a time when they

6:10 are more needed than ever. I'm

6:13 also concerned about the areas

6:13 where the budget not

6:15 adequately support the

6:16 sential programs

6:17 administered by and the

6:19 necessary level of staffing

6:20 required to provide clients

6:21 with services and a timely

6:24 manner well has been able to

6:25 improve the timeliness rates

6:26 for snap and cash assistance

6:28 applications denial rates have

6:29 increased, which is especially

6:31 troubling given the recently

6:32 implemented federal work

6:35 requirements

6:35 . We've still been hearing

6:36 that is very difficult to get

6:37 through to by phone and that

6:40 clients are experiencing very

6:40 long wait times at centers

6:43 while is shelter. Census has

6:45 decreased slightly in the past

6:47 few months it remains above

6:50 80000 placements into

6:50 subsidized housing must be

6:51 accelerated in order to

6:53 significantly decrease the

6:53 number of people living in our

6:54 cities shelter system programs

6:57 such as City flaps are more

6:58 important than ever, and the

6:59 best way to move long term

7:02 shelter residents into stable,

7:03 permanent housing

7:03 . However, this program is

7:05 still challenging for many to

7:06 access on top of the

7:07 difficulty of finding

7:08 affordable housing in a very

7:11 expensive City. I'm concerned

7:12 the City febreze cos

7:12 tcontainment savings impact and

7:14 further delay and already time

7:16 sensitive application process

7:18 for clients in today's hearing

7:19 we look forward to discussin

7:20 gadjustments made in the

7:21 executive plan, including New

7:24 needs and the vacancy

7:25 reductions in.

7:25 Savings. It is the council's

7:26 job to carefully review the

7:28 budgets and operations of City

7:29 agencies to ensure that we are

7:31 good stewards of public

7:31 dollars and that we are

7:33 providing our city's most

7:34 vulnerable residents with the

7:35 services they need, and this

7:36 is a job I take very seriously

7:40 . Finally, I would like t

7:40 othank general welfare

7:41 committee staff for their work

7:42 on preparing this hearing.

7:44 Maria roman senior financial

7:46 analyst elizabeth shoulders

7:47 garcia senior financial

7:48 analyst julia paramus,

7:50 assistant director, a man t

7:51 okill owen, senior counsel

7:53 Pierina rosenberg senior

7:55 policy analyst Justin campos,

7:56 policy alystna brian scarfo

7:57 finance committee counsel, my

8:00 chief of staff andrew, right,

8:01 aleka ruined tan, senior

8:02 manager of policy and

8:03 communications and demi brown,

8:04 my deputy chief of staff and

8:06 now commissioner dalton, our

8:08 finance council will swear you

8:09 in. Thank you. Thank you. So

8:13 lquick housekeepingned by

8:17 announcement that I've been

8:18 making at every hearing, which

8:19 is that as a reminder. I see a

8:21 lot of our awesome nonprofit

8:24 provider, a staff who are here

8:26 today, so wanted to remind

8:28 everyone that we are having

8:29 all of the agency public

8:33 testimony testimony on

8:34 Wednesday, June 10 beginning

8:35 at 9 30, so all the City

8:37 agencies public testimony.

8:38 We're doing it all in one day

8:39 ,so it's going to be a long day

8:40 , but we'll try to make it as

8:41 interesting as possible and on

8:44 time as possible, so please

8:45 make sure to sign up for

8:47 public testimony on Wednesday,

8:50 June 10, and I will now turn

8:50 it over to our committee

8:51 counselors were in the

8:58 witnesses. Good morning. Do

8:58 you affirm to tell the truth,

8:59 the whole truth and nothing

9:00 but the truth before this

9:01 committee and to respond

9:03 honelyst to Council Member

9:04 questions commissioner dalton.

9:07 I do?

9:08 Administrator french. I do

9:11 administrator fellini, first

9:12 deputy garden garden. Okay. Uh

9:17 oh. Chief johns. I do an

9:27 officer, gonzalez

9:28 . You be Gale. Good morning

9:31 , I want to thank speaker

9:32 mennen chair chair, person

9:33 Hudson share personall

9:34 ymembers of the committee on

9:36 general welfarend m aembers of

9:37 the committee on finance for

9:38 holding today's hearing and

9:39 for the opportunity to testify

9:41 about the department of social

9:42 services fiscal year 20 2

9:46 7executive budget. My name is

9:47 aaron dalton, commissioner for

9:48 New York City department of

9:49 social services. I am joined

9:51 by human resources

9:52 administration administrator

9:53 scott french department of

9:55 homeless services interim

9:55 administrator christine

9:58 fellini, first deputy

9:59 commissioner's commissioner

10:00 sarah to guard chief program

10:03 performance off and financial

10:05 officer richard johns and

10:06 chief strategy officer Chris

10:08 gonzalez. Collectively we

10:10 represent approximately 12500

10:12 hardworking staff who dedicate

10:13 their lives to supporting New

10:15 yorkers living at or below the

10:18 poverty line as I approache

10:19 dmy first three months as

10:19 commissioner. I want t

10:20 oexpress my gratitude to the

10:22 dedicated staff as well as our

10:25 nonprofit providers advocates,

10:26 community partners and clients

10:27 who have helped me to better

10:29 understand the extraordinary

10:30 scope and complexity of New

10:31 York city's social safety net

10:34 since stepping into this role

10:35 I visited dozens of shelters h

10:37 r a benefits access centers

10:37 across the five boroughs

10:39 shadowed outrage, teams

10:40 working with New yorkers

10:42 experiencing straight

10:43 melessness and joint staff

10:44 and door to door outreach

10:45 efforts to help snap

10:47 recipients understand New

10:47 federal work requirements and

10:49 avoid losing critical benefits

10:51 these experiences have

10:52 deepened my appreciation for

10:53 both the challenges our

10:56 clients face and the

10:56 commitment of the people who

10:57 serve them every day.

10:58 I have these first months

10:59 listening and learning. And

11:00 while I've gained valuable

11:02 insight I recognize there's

11:03 much, much more to learn, and

11:04 I look forward to continuing

11:06 that work in partnership with

11:07 all of you

11:09 , I would like to take this

11:10 opportunity to express my

11:11 appreciation for the

11:11 conscientious leadership of

11:12 the New York City Council in

11:14 New York City Council as we

11:16 engage in the challenging

11:19 issues, addresses. I've had a

11:20 chance to meet with a number

11:21 of council members during my

11:21 time here and hear about the

11:23 successes, ideas and concerns

11:24 that impact your constituents

11:26 for those of you. I have not

11:28 engaged with directly. Yet I

11:29 look forward to that future

11:33 collaboration supporting

11:33 vulnerable populations trouble

11:34 , trouble shooting on the

11:35 ground challenges in

11:36 neighborhoods as they arise

11:37 and delivering social services

11:39 to New yorkers that meet the

11:40 high standards Mayor madonna

11:43 set out is consistently on my

11:43 mind and our work and in our

11:46 budget the topic at hand today

11:50 , is pleased to play a major

11:50 part in pursuing the whole of

11:52 government vision presented by

11:53 Mayor ma'am donny's housing

11:55 plan published last week

11:55 blocked by block the housing

11:56 plan for a New era alongside

11:59 our sister agencies, including

12:00 the department of housing

12:02 preservation and development

12:03 in New York City housing

12:04 authority, the department of

12:05 health and mental hygiene and

12:06 New York City health and

12:09 hospitals serves as a partner

12:10 in tackling the housing crisis

12:12 and uplifting the marriage of

12:13 a City more affordable for

12:17 working people contributions

12:18 to that comprehensive housing

12:19 strategy include investments

12:20 in technology and systems that

12:22 connect New yorkers

12:23 experiencing homelessness t

12:24 ohousing, streamlining the

12:27 support housing application

12:27 process pursuing reforms to

12:29 minimize the amount of time

12:30 people spend in shelter and

12:32 breaking down bottlenecks and

12:33 barriers crucial to housing

12:34 stability to better serve

12:38 clients.

12:38 As you know, through serves

12:41 approximately 3 million New

12:42 yorkers on any given day.

12:44 The consolidated management

12:45 structure and the shared

12:45 mission of the Eric agencies

12:48 provides an integrated

12:49 continuum of client services

12:50 that helps create a path t

12:52 osustainability for low income