Committee of the Whole

Monday, October 5, 2026, 11 a.m. (New York City time), Council Chambers - City Hall

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Speaker Julie Menin and Technology Chair Carmen N. De La Rosa convened the full Council as a Committee of the Whole for a day-long hearing on the risks of artificial intelligence and a package of bills, including Int. 161 on AI's impact on City jobs, Int. 504 on AI depictions of public officials, and preconsidered introductions on third-party validation and shutdown capability (T2026-2602), whistleblower-driven civilian enforcement (T2026-2605), AI safety incident reporting for City contracts (T2026-2621), a private right of action (T2026-2600), chatbot data privacy (T2026-2599), an AI emergency response plan, contractor whistleblower protections and deceptive AI advertising. Former AI company researchers Jacob Coxon, Daniel Kokotajlo and Alex Turner testified under oath that frontier labs cannot yet reliably control their systems, and the Speaker noted that SpaceX did not appear despite a Council subpoena, which the Council is pursuing in court. Representatives of OpenAI, Anthropic, Meta and Google, also under oath, were questioned about the summer's rogue-agent incidents, whether they could quantify catastrophic risk, legal liability and insurance, whistleblower treatment, child safety, data centers, immigration enforcement contracts and job displacement; they described their safety frameworks and agreed to follow up on many questions in writing. Officials from OTI, NYC Cyber Command, Emergency Management and the Department of Consumer and Worker Protection supported the intent of several bills but raised concerns about cyber command's role in regulating validation, the 24-hour incident notice requirement and enforcement capacity; members pressed them on delays in standing up the Office of Algorithmic Accountability. State legislators, a U.K. member of Parliament, advocates, unions, researchers, industry groups and residents then testified; no votes were taken.

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1:49 e. Good morning, ladies and

1:50 gentlemen and welcome to

1:51 today's New York City Council

1:51 committee of the whole at this

1:53 time we asked you silence all

1:55 cell phones and electronic

1:56 devices to minimize

1:57 disruptions throughout today's

1:58 proceedings. If you have any

1:59 questions, please get the

2:00 attention of one of the

2:01 sergeant at arms if you wish

2:03 to testify. Please see the

2:03 sergeant arms outside in the

2:05 rotunda and no time throughout

2:06 today's proceeding, are you t

2:07 oapproach the dais. We thank

2:10 you for your kind cooperation

2:10 speaker, we are ready to begi

2:14 n

2:14 . Good morning, everyone. We

2:15 welcome everyone to the

2:16 chambers were thrilled to see

2:18 a packed hall today. Today's

2:21 hearing is truly know ordinary

2:23 hearing because today we are

2:25 convening the New York City

2:27 council's committee of the

2:28 whole, which is the entire

2:30 City Council. We will delve

2:32 into a deep discussion about

2:34 her ongoing technological

2:37 revolution, a revolution tha

2:38 tat present is igniting

2:41 incredible scientific and

2:42 medical innovation and

2:44 breakthroughs, but

2:46 simultaneously raises serious

2:49 existential safety concerns I

2:50 nthe past few weeks we've heard

2:52 extremely concerning reports

2:53 regarding artificial

2:56 intelligence reports that have

2:57 appeared with increasing

2:59 frequency and that highlight

3:02 the potentially catastrophic

3:03 dangers of this technology New

3:05 yorker's concerns stem from

3:07 the disturbing cyber attacks

3:08 committed by rogue agents but

3:11 also from extremely dire

3:13 statements made by leaders of

3:14 the very companies who are

3:17 developing this technology

3:19 ,the dialogue and the

3:20 legislative process. We are

3:22 initiating today is

3:24 particularly important given

3:25 the lack of any regulation by

3:27 the federal government whose

3:30 actions thus far have been

3:31 limited to an executive order

3:32 about what we should call this

3:34 technology and a pact with

3:36 leading a firms focusing on

3:40 self regulation, our hope and

3:41 hearing will not only allow us

3:47 to develop effective

3:48 regulations here in our City,

3:50 but that it will spur a

3:52 meaningful conversation and

3:54 action in other jurisdictions

3:56 ,especially on the federal

3:58 level. Our goals in today's

4:00 hearing are straightforward to

4:03 better understand the

4:04 potential threats, dangers and

4:05 liability posed by a eye

4:07 development to identify the

4:10 benefits that responsible a

4:12 New York City government and

4:15 to its residents and to

4:16 discuss the slate of City

4:17 council bills which seek to

4:20 provide responsible safety

4:21 guard rails for a I. These

4:24 bills include a wide range of

4:27 both proactive and defensive

4:29 measures from legislation that

4:32 requires artificial

4:32 intelligence systems to pass a

4:35 third party validation, that

4:37 is free from conflicts of

4:39 interest and incentivizes

4:41 whistleblowers who come

4:41 forward with a portion of the

4:46 penalties assessed two

4:46 proposals focusing on

4:47 emergency preparedness to be

4:49 able to identify system

4:51 breaches into plan how the

4:53 City will respond if such a

4:57 breach occurs to achieve these

4:57 goals we've requested the

4:59 participation of five firms

5:01 leading the research and

5:02 development of a I open a I

5:05 and google, meta and space x

5:07 today, four of them will be

5:11 testifying under oath before

5:12 the.

5:13 Council, not simply for New

5:14 yorkers, but for the entire

5:17 world to here. We will indeed

5:19 be the first legislative body

5:22 to secure testimo fronym these

5:24 companies under oath in the

5:25 wake of these latest

5:28 disturbing reports. Spacex. I,

5:29 however, is not here at all in

5:30 direct violation of the

5:31 subpoena that we issued last

5:32 week and we are pursuing that

5:34 subpoena in court. We will

5:37 also hear from a number of

5:39 City agencies to receive their

5:41 perspectives on these issues

5:42 and on the bills that we have

5:43 proposed as far we intend to

5:46 work constructively with the

5:47 administration to ensure that

5:49 any policies being drafted,

5:51 amended, adopted and enforced

5:52 will work effectively to serve

5:55 New yorkers and we'll also

5:57 hear from whistleblowers,

5:58 industry representatives,

5:59 experts and academics who

6:02 we've been in touch with since

6:03 we announced this hearing and

6:04 of course we look forward t

6:06 ohearing from any member of the

6:07 public who was invited t

6:10 oprovide testimony about these

6:11 topics. I want to be very

6:12 clear about our intent. This

6:16 hearing is not about stifling

6:18 innovation. New York City is

6:21 fast becoming the tech and a I

6:23 capital of the world

6:24 . Home to nearly 400000 jobs

6:27 in tt sehactor and some of the

6:30 company's most consequentially

6:31 shaping the future of

6:33 artificial intelligence and

6:34 that's something we should

6:35 celebrate. We welcome and

6:37 appreciate how a I has

6:39 accelerated its scientific

6:41 discovery, advanced medical

6:41 treatments boosted economic

6:45 development and help

6:45 governments and businesses

6:47 deliver services more

6:47 effectively while we're

6:49 juicing costs and rooting out

6:50 waste and fraud when companies

6:55 are developing technology with

6:55 the potential to fund reshape

6:59 our economy, our workforce,

7:00 our public safety and our

7:02 daily lives and when leaders

7:04 of that very industry are

7:07 themselves warning government

7:07 about its risk the public

7:11 deserves answers and solutions

7:13 . So the true intent of this

7:15 hearing is to ensure that

7:18 innovation happens responsibly

7:19 that the government does its

7:20 job to protect the public as

7:24 the technology advances and

7:25 that the protections at the

7:27 municipal level can

7:28 potentially serve as a

7:31 national model. I spent a

7:32 large portion of my life being

7:34 a regular attorney. The idea

7:38 that artificial intelligence

7:38 is going to self regulate

7:40 defies all reason we don't ask

7:44 the airline industry to sel

7:45 fregulate. That's why we have

7:48 the and if there is an

7:49 accident. There's an

7:51 independent body t

7:51 oinvestigate that we don't ask

7:54 financial firms to self

7:54 regulate we have the sex and

7:56 other agencies as well. W

7:59 edon't ask the pharmaceutical

8:00 companies to self regulate

8:01 either. That's of course. Why

8:02 we have the so we shouldn't

8:06 ask I companies to self

8:09 regulate, either the spirit we

8:10 seek to body in the councils

8:11 approach to as well

8:12 illustrated in the words of

8:15 tech journalist karen how in

8:16 her book empire of a I, she

8:18 writes. The future of a I the

8:20 shape that this technology

8:23 takes is inextricably tied t

8:27 oour future. The question of

8:28 how to govern a I then is

8:30 really a question about how t

8:32 oensure we make our future

8:35 better, not worse. New

8:36 . York has always embraced the

8:39 future, the council is going

8:40 to make sure we are prepared

8:42 for it. Chew and it's now my

8:43 pleasure to turn the

8:45 microphone over to our

8:46 technology chair council

8:50 member Carmen De you, speaker

8:50 mennen. Good morning, everyon

8:52 e. I'm Carmen De am chair of

8:53 the committee on technology

8:55 today. I am pleased to joi

8:56 nspeaker manning and my

8:58 colleagues as we co chair this

8:59 hearing by the committee o

9:00 fthe whole examining the risk

9:03 posed by artificial

9:04 intelligence. I am incredibly

9:05 grateful to all who took the

9:07 time to join us to discuss

9:08 this important topic industry

9:11 representatives, experts

9:12 ,elected officials, colleagues,

9:14 agencies are brothers and

9:15 sisters in labor and

9:16 especially the many New

9:17 yorkers who have signed up t

9:19 otestify and have submitted

9:20 testimony to put their voice

9:21 on the public record today

9:25 should act as a foundation for

9:26 openness in a discussion that

9:28 has escalated to alarm

9:30 confusion and fear, and it

9:33 needs resolution.

9:34 Artificial intelligence is

9:36 advancing rapidly and becoming

9:37 increasingly interrogated into

9:39 everyday life in just a few

9:40 years we have seen evolved

9:42 from algorithmic tools that

9:45 analyze data, make predictions

9:46 and support decision making

9:48 into generative systems that

9:49 can create text code sounds,

9:53 images.

9:54 More recently, agents has

9:56 emerged, enabling agents t

9:57 otake actions on a person's

10:01 behalf

10:01 . I can be a powerful tool for

10:04 efficiency, innovation and

10:05 productivity at the same time

10:07 it introduces significant

10:10 risks, including exacerbating

10:11 biases, surveillance concern

10:14 sbreaches negative public

10:15 health outcomes, violence and

10:17 disparity. These are concerns

10:19 that become even more serious

10:21 as agents become more capable

10:25 when we face serious concerns

10:27 or challenges the appropriate

10:27 response is to address them

10:29 not to postpone them

10:32 . In an effort by City

10:32 councils by the City Council

10:34 under the leadership of

10:36 speaker mennen. Today we

10:37 respond to some of these

10:38 concerns, we will.

10:39 Be hearing the following

10:41 nthe impact of algorithmic

10:48 tools on City employees and

10:51 changes in employment

10:52 responsibilities due to.

10:53 Algorithmic tools

10:56 . Intro five and David

10:57 sponsored by deputy speaker

10:58 Williams in relation t

11:00 oprohibiting unauthorized

11:02 depiction of public officials

11:03 by artificial intelligence, a

11:06 pre considered introduction,

11:07 sponsored by speaker mennen in

11:08 relation to third party

11:09 validation and shut down

11:13 capabilities of artificial

11:14 intelligence models, a pre

11:16 considered introduction by

11:17 speaker mennen in relation t

11:19 ocivilian enforcement and

11:21 artificial intelligence

11:22 violations, a pre considered

11:24 introduction, sponsored by

11:25 majority whip Kamillah Hanks

11:28 relation to requiring

11:28 reporting and public

11:30 disclosure of artificial

11:31 intelligence safety incidents

11:34 concerning City.

11:35 Contracts a pre considered

11:36 introduction, sponsored by

11:38 council members Maloney in

11:39 relation to establishing a

11:40 private cause of action for

11:42 certain harms arising from

11:43 third party misuse of

11:44 artificial intelligence model

11:47 s, a pre considered

11:48 introduction, sponsored by

11:49 Council Member Frank Morano in

11:51 relation to chat box data

11:54 privacy, security and

11:55 transparency, a pre considered

11:57 introduction, sponsored by

11:58 Council Member Chi jose in

12:00 relation to requiring the

12:01 creation of an artificial

12:02 intelligence model emergency

12:06 response plan and finally not

12:07 finally, one more a pre

12:09 considered introduction,

12:09 sponsored by council membe

12:10 rkevin Riley in relation t

12:12 ocity contractors and sub

12:15 posting information concerning

12:17 whistleblower protections and

12:18 clarifying whistleblower

12:19 protections for reporting

12:21 conduct related to the use and

12:22 development of artificial

12:24 intelligence models and

12:25 finally a pre considere

12:27 dintroduction, sponsored by

12:28 Council Member Carl Wilson in

12:30 relations are requiring

12:32 certain disclosures and

12:34 prohibiting deceptive

12:35 representations in the

12:37 promotion while we work to

12:39 protect people from risks

12:41 associated with we must not

12:42 overlook the digital divide in

12:44 our City, our City is full of

12:46 opportunity. Yes, some

12:47 residents still lack reliable,

12:49 affordable broadband access.

12:50 Some people do not yet know

12:51 how to use a tools while

12:53 others cannot even afford

12:54 internet connection needed to

12:55 access them in the first place

12:58 . We cannot seek to benefit

12:59 from innovation while leaving

13:01 some New yorkers behind or at

13:04 its mercy technology being

13:04 used by New yorkers should be

13:06 built for them. This is an

13:08 opportunity to also explore

13:10 standing up infrastructure so

13:11 that our communities can

13:15 become literate. I look

13:16 forward to hearing from the

13:17 industry and experts about

13:19 this technology and how it is

13:20 impacting our City. What

13:23 safeguards exists where

13:23 solutions are possible as we

13:26 consider how to govern around

13:27 the eye. I also look forward

13:29 to working with our state and

13:31 federal partners to ensure

13:32 that New yorkers fully benefit

13:34 from the advancement of the of

13:37 I without compromising our

13:39 safety and privacy.

13:42 I'd like to take a moment to

13:44 thank the technology committee

13:45 staff and all of the staff in

13:46 the City Council, but most

13:48 especially our legislative

13:49 council. I mean, buy off ski

13:50 and our policy, analyst Eric

13:52 brown as well as my team,

13:53 chief of staff James burg,

13:56 heba imad free familiar and

13:58 the speaker's team for working

14:00 countless hours to put this

14:03 hearing together, I now tur

14:03 nit back to speaker, man. Thank

14:05 you so much chaired we are now

14:07 going to start with our

14:09 whistle blower panel in perso

14:10 n. I'm going to first called

14:12 jacob coxon to come to the

14:16 stand and then online we have

14:18 daniel coca tylo and alex

14:20 turner. But.

14:21 Who are both remote. I want

14:22 to say it was there getting

14:23 ready. I just want to say a

14:24 word about this panel are

14:28 these three panelists have all

14:30 worked inside, leading a I and

14:33 all have chosen to speak

14:35 publicly about the risks of

14:38 advanced here are this as I

14:40 mentioned in person is jacob

14:41 cox in former researcher at

14:43 open a I and anthropic, where

14:45 he worked on the development

14:50 of frontier. He left anthropic

14:51 last month with dire warnings

14:53 that is advancing without

14:55 adequate safeguards to prevent

14:58 catastrophic damage us

14:59 remotely is daniel coca tylo

15:01 ,executive director of the

15:03 future's project. Former open

15:06 governance researcher. Also

15:07 remote is alex turner and

15:10 control researcher, formerly a

15:11 google deepmind now working on

15:13 keeping advanced systems under

15:16 human control in September

15:19 2026, he publicly stated that

15:20 preventing catastrophic harm

15:22 from frontier. I I had part of

15:23 his work a deep mind and I

15:25 want to note the council has