Committee on Environmental Protection and Waterfronts

Wednesday, September 30, 2026, 1 p.m. (New York City time), 250 Broadway - 8th Floor - Hearing Room 2

Committee: Committee on Environmental Protection and Waterfronts

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Chair James F. Gennaro led an oversight hearing on coastal resiliency together with three bills: Intro. 343 (Nurse) waiving crane permit fees for solar installations, Intro. 931 (Epstein) requiring a mobile drinking fountain program, and Intro. 936 (Gennaro) creating a Department of Coastal Protection. DEP Deputy Commissioner Beth DeFalco testified that the Bureau of Coastal Resilience, created in 2023, is growing from 6 to 75 employees under a $43.2 million investment, oversees 16 active projects, and that full coastal protection will require investments measured in tens of billions of dollars. DEP urged caution on Intro. 936 to avoid fragmenting the bureau's work and raised cost and staffing concerns about Intro. 931, while DOB said it supports the intent of Intro. 343 and reported a steep drop in solar filings after federal tax credits expired. Riverkeeper, the New York League of Conservation Voters and the Waterfront Alliance urged that the bill codify the existing bureau within DEP rather than create a separate department, and a public health student supported Intro. 931 with a funded implementation plan. No votes were taken; the bills were heard and discussed.

Transcript

2:58 Thank you.

2:58 Good afternoon welcome t

2:59 othe committee on environmental

3:01 protection and waterfronts at

3:02 this time we ask that you

3:04 please silence or electronics

3:06 if you wish to testify please

3:08 see one of the sergeant at

3:09 arms in the back and at no

3:11 point please do not approach

3:14 the dais chair you begin

3:16 . Thank you thank you for

3:16 reminding me to silence my

3:17 the arco's I'll just put it

3:39 need it good good a council

3:58 member jim Gennaro chair of

3:59 the committee on environmental

4:02 protection and waterfronts

4:03 today we'll be we will hold an

4:05 oversight hearing on coastal

4:07 resiliency as well as well as

4:10 the following legislation into

4:12 number 343 sponsored by

4:14 Council Member Sandy Nurse in

4:16 relation to waiving fees for

4:19 st crane permits related to

4:23 solar installations and intro

4:26 931 sponsored by council

4:27 member Harvey Epstein in

4:28 relation to dep I in relation

4:33 to requiring to a mobile

4:36 drinking fountain program in

4:38 show number 9 36 sponsored by

4:41 myself in relation to the

4:43 creation of a department of

4:46 coastal protection which would

4:50 be tasked with designing and

4:52 the city's shoreline and coast

4:57 from storm's erosion and the

4:59 effects of climate change we

5:00 are just about a month away

5:02 from the fourteent

5:03 hanniversary of superstorm

5:05 Sandy and this past weekend

5:08 the City was hit with a

5:09 nor'easter which brought

5:11 coastal flooding strong winds

5:13 and heavy rains which

5:16 unfortunately led to the

5:17 passing of newyorker and nyc

5:20 agh employees lleyton braun a

5:23 maintenance supervisor who was

5:24 tragically struck and killed

5:26 by a falling tree during the

5:27 storm I would like to offer my

5:30 sincerest condolences t

5:32 omister brown's family and

5:35 friends.

5:35 Uh the weekend storm

5:36 coincided with a full moon and

5:38 high tide and his confluence

5:40 of factors led to significant

5:41 coastal flooding and low lying

5:44 waterfront neighborhoods while

5:45 the City was spared the worst

5:47 of these effects our neighbors

5:48 in New jersey were not so

5:51 lucky across the state the

5:53 combination of severe storm

5:54 surge and higher than average

5:56 tide washed away and stretches

5:58 of beach creating a

5:59 significant economic damage

6:01 and undoing millions of

6:03 dollars in recent recent beach

6:06 re nourishment as some of you

6:08 know back in 2012 well I don't

6:11 think anybody knows this but I

6:13 know it as some of you as a as

6:17 you probably don't know back

6:18 in 2012 I introduced a bill

6:21 that would go on to become

6:23 local law 42 of 2012 um

6:27 codifying the New York City

6:29 panel on climate change and

6:31 the climate adaptation task

6:35 force according to

6:37 . The panels 20 24 report that

6:39 is the n pcc local c levels

6:42 are projected to rise between

6:45 six inches these are their

6:46 projections not

6:48 . Mine to rise between six

6:52 inches but local sea levels

6:53 are projected to rise between

6:55 six inches and approximately

6:56 12 inches by the 2000 thirty's

6:59 1 2 2 feet by the 2000 fifty's

7:02 and 2 2 5.5 feet bye 2100 I

7:08 think those estimates are a

7:11 little high and going to go

7:12 off on a tangent for a minute

7:15 and therein lies you know some

7:16 of the people who criticize

7:20 climate change and don't

7:21 believe in it don't you no

7:23 they don't know you know there

7:25 aren't confidence in it back

7:26 when I was working for the

7:27 state as the d e p as a the

7:33 state deputy commissioner um

7:35 we were for our purposes in

7:40 using um numbers for sea level

7:43 projections that were uh

7:47 projected by columbia um and

7:52 uh um and the office and the

7:54 governor's office of storm

7:57 recovery were using numbers

7:59 that were generated by my alma

8:02 mater stony brook university

8:05 there department of you know

8:07 marine oh god signor moment

8:09 the department of uh so much

8:14 school of marine and

8:16 atmospheric sciences and um

8:17 you know there ah they're high

8:22 end estimates for sea level

8:24 rise by ex state whatever it

8:27 was or half of what the

8:31 columbia projections were and

8:32 so I raised a point with the

8:36 commissioner of and state

8:38 government at large people see

8:39 state government as kind of

8:41 like one entity and we have t

8:43 osets of books for see level

8:46 rise so if you're at the

8:49 governor's office of storm

8:50 recovery you're seeing the

8:51 high end estimate of like x

8:54 and if you look at colombia's

8:56 number the high end exit high

8:58 end estimate was two x and so

9:01 we shouldn't have to sets of

9:02 books and this is why people

9:05 lose confidence and you know

9:08 climate forecasting and see

9:11 level rise projections

9:13 . Because there are like

9:16 personalities of you know the

9:17 one who was doing it at

9:19 stonybrook was a he was a

9:22 nobel laureate.

9:22 And it was very very in

9:24 terms of we don't know

9:25 something until we know it and

9:28 so if we don't know it it's

9:30 not going in the calculus for

9:32 the projections

9:33 . We could be wrong we could

9:35 end up there could be things

9:36 that we don't know factors

9:39 that we don't really that we

9:40 think are out there but we

9:42 haven't really started them

9:43 enough that like they're not

9:45 going into the projections

9:46 we're going to be conservative r

9:50 entity is all like well you

9:51 have to build in a little

9:52 little bit of a fudge factor

9:53 because his nature always has

9:55 something out there that we

9:56 don't yet know so let's use

9:58 the wheel dj aboard and try t

10:01 ofitted in somehow and still

10:03 account in our current

10:05 projections that which we

10:07 don't fully know yet and so as

10:09 a scientist it's always like

10:10 kind of annoyed me and so

10:13 that's two minutes of your

10:13 life you can't get back sorry

10:16 but hopefully he was enriching

10:19 about climate science and why

10:21 people sometimes

10:22 . Poke at it because that's

10:24 exactly the thing people would

10:26 say New York state's got to

10:27 sets of books on like what

10:30 climate you on what you see

10:32 level rise projections are you

10:34 know one of them has got to be

10:35 wrong probably both of them

10:37 and so that doesn't mean we

10:38 shouldn't endeavor to figur

10:39 eit out doesn't mean we

10:39 shouldn't try to prepare for

10:41 it but these are some of the

10:43 frustrations when you're

10:45 dealing with people who don't

10:46 want to even recognize climate

10:48 change with sea level rise as

10:49 a thing this is fodder for

10:51 them to throw in her face and

10:52 I don't like to serve up

10:53 things that are people going

10:54 throw in her face that's three

10:55 minutes you can't get back and

10:59 so where were we ah um hi I

11:02 have a high end for annual

11:05 precipitation project any this

11:07 is pieces two c project an

11:09 increase of up to the 200

11:13 0thirty's

11:13 . 14% By the 2050 second and

11:15 30% by 2100 stronger and more

11:19 severe storms like this one

11:21 like the one this past weekend

11:23 are likely to become

11:25 increasingly common as time

11:25 goes on we all know that.

11:28 This a this ongoing threat

11:30 requires a City agency or in

11:32 this case an agency bureau

11:34 right there

11:35 . To holistically plan and

11:37 manage the city's response at

11:39 this hearing I'm looking

11:40 forward to learning about the

11:43 bureau's burgeoning role in

11:44 costa resents though so that

11:46 we codify their important work

11:49 and.

11:49 You know it's important to

11:51 understand that you know the

11:53 dexists but it's not yet

11:59 codified in law and so we

12:00 think it's important to codify

12:02 it in law so that successive

12:05 administrations will have no

12:07 you know we'll have no ability

12:09 to um ah not continue the work

12:11 of this important bureau.

12:15 Ah

12:16 . I am also looking forward t

12:17 ohearing feedback on the other

12:19 legislation so that we can

12:19 ensure that these bills are

12:21 the best and most effective

12:23 they can be I would like t

12:25 othank the committee staff

12:26 senior legislative councils

12:28 natasha bynum to my right and

12:31 sierra townsend who is not

12:32 here at the moment senior

12:35 policy analyst ricky chala

12:37 financial analyst 10 verse ing

12:38 as well as my legislative

12:40 director josh gasquet who was

12:42 in the gallery and there he is m

12:51 what yeah yeah and and uh yeah l

12:56 members um Sanchez a member of

12:57 this committee and the council

13:01 member Council Member Avilés

13:02 not a member of the committee

13:03 but always a you know a real

13:07 environmental partner mine

13:07 great colleague good friend

13:09 and we're a pleasure it's our

13:10 pleasure to have her and okay

13:14 all right now I will turn it

13:15 over to the committee counsel

13:17 to give the affirmation to the

13:22 witnesses.

13:22 Hello also diab folks if you

13:23 want to do it from over there

13:26 please raise your right hand

13:28 everyone you guys too

13:30 . Thanks do you for him t

13:31 otell the the whole truth and

13:33 nothing but the truth before

13:34 this committee and to respond

13:35 honestly to Council Member

13:38 questions great um when you

13:39 speak if you could just state

13:41 your name and title for the

13:42 . Record and let me just get

13:50 my pen

13:50 . As the statement is being

13:51 read I make adaptations

13:54 about it oh yeah I could have

14:15 just asked for a pen right I

14:22 can't find anything in this

14:26 bag what's that no I have a

14:28 lot of stuff fine okay uh I

14:38 thanked his panel they're all

14:40 sworn in I have a copy of your

14:41 statement please proceed with

14:42 your good testimony ah

14:45 terrific good afternoon

14:47 Gennaro and members of the of

14:49 the committee my name is beth

14:51 De falco I'm the deputy

14:51 commissioner for public

14:52 affairs at the New York City

14:54 department of environmental

14:56 protection I'm joined today by

14:57 my colleague catherine

14:58 probably ski the assistant

15:00 commissioner of engineering in

15:01 the bureau of coastal

15:02 resilience as well as jill her

15:03 becky assistant commissioner

15:05 of engineering services and

15:07 wendi wann borough

15:07 commissioner of central

15:08 development programs from the

15:10 department of buildings

15:11 they're here today to just

15:12 we're here today to discuss

15:14 the city's coastal resilience

15:15 work and then the other

15:16 legislation as well before the

15:18 committee uh I'd like to begin

15:19 by speaking about this past

15:22 weekend's nor'easter the storm

15:23 brought high winds rain and

15:25 coastal storm

15:26 . Surge particularly in the

15:27 communities surrounding

15:28 jamaica bay hamilton and

15:29 howard beach areas and staten

15:31 island's south beach on City

15:32 island in my neighborhood of

15:34 red hook surging high tides

15:37 tides overtopped the

15:37 coastlines repeatedly over

15:39 three

15:39 . Days inundating some low

15:41 lying communities hundreds of

15:42 trees were downed primarily in

15:43 brooklyn and queens and

15:45 tragically as you mentioned

15:47 chair we lost the life of the

15:48 night maintenance worker brown

15:51 . As tides were seated crews

15:53 responded across the City to

15:54 pump out low lying areas that

15:55 could not drain naturally in

15:57 partnership with New York City

15:58 emergency management we

15:59 continue this response as the

16:01 storm.

16:01 Withdrew from the area on

16:02 Monday it's important t

16:03 ounderstand that pumping only

16:04 works once the tides go down

16:06 in other words what otherwise

16:08 whatever we've pumped out is

16:09 just re flooded with the high

16:12 tide

16:12 . D e p also responded to help

16:14 with the removal of fallen

16:16 trees our forestry crews from

16:18 upstate from the water upstate

16:19 came down to the City to help

16:20 parks department cut up and

16:22 remove downed trees across

16:24 across streets and parks and

16:25 while the storm brought

16:27 significant damages to storm

16:27 from storms storm surge and

16:29 high winds the rainfall was

16:32 moderate and steady so we saw

16:34 only very minor inland storm

16:36 water flooding now coastal

16:38 resilience which is obviously

16:39 one of the reasons why we're

16:41 here today

16:41 . As the weekend storm

16:43 reminded us New York City is a

16:44 coastal City we have 520 of

16:47 shoreline millions of New

16:48 yorkers living and working

16:49 near the water and changing

16:51 changing climate that is

16:52 making the risks that we face

16:52 more urgent.

16:53 For two long cities like New

16:54 York have largely followed the

16:56 same cycle a major storm hits

16:58 we recover we rebuild and we

17:01 move on but that can't be our

17:02 long term strategy we need t

17:04 oget ahead of the risk just as

17:05 importantly we need a

17:08 coordinated citywide approach

17:11 to coastal resilience not a

17:12 collection of individual

17:12 projects that are planned

17:13 built and maintained in

17:15 isolation for us to be

17:16 successful we need strong

17:18 institutional capacity

17:20 technical capacity and

17:21 financial capacity which must

17:22 include state and federal

17:24 partners and sustained

17:25 political support

17:26 . That work is under way right

17:27 now at d e p in 23 3 created

17:30 the bureau of coastal

17:32 resilience or bcr as we often

17:33 call it to bring greater focus

17:35 and accountability to this

17:38 enormous challenge

17:39 . Is responsible for planning

17:40 the future of our coastline

17:40 and for the operation and

17:42 maintenance of the cities

17:43 growing network of coastal

17:45 flood protection

17:46 infrastructure this is truly a

17:47 City wide effort works closely

17:50 with parks ed d o b ddc dot

17:55 City planning m o c e j and

17:56 many other partners to move

17:58 critical cosign resilience

18:00 projects forward across all

18:02 five boroughs but dp isn't

18:04 simply building coastline

18:05 resilience we're building the

18:07 work the the expertise

18:09 operating procedures.

18:09 And the maintenance systems

18:11 necessary to make sure this

18:12 infrastructure actually works

18:12 when New yorkers need it

18:14 earlier this year Mayor

18:15 mamdani made a significant

18:16 commitment to this work he

18:18 invested 43.2 million to

18:20 dramatically expand the bureau

18:21 of coastal resilience.

18:23 That investment will grow

18:23 the bureau from just six

18:26 employees to 75 we're adding

18:28 engineers planners field crews

18:29 and other flood resilience

18:31 experts.

18:32 That matters because the

18:33 City is entering a New phase

18:35 of coastal

18:35 . Resilience we're no longer

18:37 simply talking about with

18:38 these projects could look like