Committee on Public Housing

Tuesday, September 22, 2026, 1 p.m. (New York City time), 250 Broadway - 8th Floor - Hearing Room 3

Committee: Committee on Public Housing

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Summary

The Committee on Public Housing, chaired by Council Member Chris Banks, held an oversight hearing on the work order systems used in NYCHA and PACT developments. A pre-panel of residents, advocates, and a PACT manager described repair delays, disappearing tickets, PACT construction failures, and poor communication. NYCHA officials Daniel Green and Heather Beck testified about NYCHA's Maximo and Siebel systems, the neighborhood planner model, work order backlog statistics (roughly 606,000 open Section 9 work orders), closure rule reforms, and PACT oversight. Council Members Banks and Encarnación questioned NYCHA extensively on backlog age, falsification controls, missed appointments, and whether PACT properties outperform Section 9. Public testimony from residents of PACT and NYCHA developments followed, describing retaliation, evictions, elevator outages, mold, and asbestos concerns. No votes were taken; the hearing was closed after testimony.

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0:06 Afternoon and welcome to today

0:06 is New York City hearing from

0:08 the committee on public

0:09 housing at this point I'd like

0:11 to remind everyone to please

0:12 sounds your electronic devices

0:12 and at no point is anyone t

0:14 oapproach the dais if you would

0:18 like to sign up for in person

0:19 testimony and haven't filled

0:20 out a slip please feel free t

0:21 ofill out one outside at the

0:23 table in the hallway chair

0:25 we're ready to begin I'm

0:27 calling this meeting to order

0:31 . Good afternoon everyone and

0:34 welcome to this hearing and

0:35 the committee of public

0:37 housing for New York City

0:40 counsel I'm Council Member

0:42 Chris Banks chair of the

0:43 committee and I'm glad to be

0:44 joined by my colleagues a

0:48 council marty and council

0:49 member s garcia um we will

0:53 hold an oversight hearing on

0:55 the work orders systems used

0:57 in nitra and pac developments

1:02 which residents used t

1:03 orequest repairs and notify

1:06 property managers of

1:07 conditions in their homes

1:10 nietzsche has to separate

1:12 systems the sibo tracks and

1:14 the residents complained and

1:16 the maximal tracks that that

1:18 tracks the work water nitra

1:22 uses work water data t

1:24 oschedule repairs direct

1:25 resources and measure

1:27 compliance with the 20 19

1:29 agreement a number of the open

1:30 work orders has risen and

1:34 fallen across mario

1:36 administrations but in the

1:37 past the City has committed

1:40 one time money to bringing the

1:42 backlog down each time before

1:46 it rises again the work order

1:49 system is the main way for

1:52 residents to report that

1:53 something is in their

1:54 household needs repair but

1:56 residents and the public have

1:58 limited ability to see how the

2:01 system performs and work or

2:04 the system only serves

2:06 developments that nitra

2:08 managers however each pack

2:10 property manager uses its own

2:13 system so residents have

2:15 complained that they're open

2:16 work orders disappear from the

2:19 nitrous system and that the

2:21 history of the issue does not

2:24 carry over to pack at nitra ce

2:26 work or the system serves only

2:29 developments that nature

2:31 managers when a development

2:32 transfer transitions to pack

2:35 it's work waters leaves

2:37 nitrates system and our then

2:39 tracked by private management.

2:42 It is unclear what happens

2:44 to the open work orders at

2:45 that point and whether nitra

2:48 keeps track or communicates

2:50 with the pack partners of

2:53 their progress and nature's

2:56 public data on work orders

2:56 only goes back one year so the

2:59 public cannot track trends.

3:01 You know residents of both

3:03 nitra and pac developments

3:05 have reported that work orders

3:06 take too long to address.

3:08 They wait for repairs

3:09 without knowing when to work a

3:12 worker will come and they tell

3:14 us that no one updates them um r

3:21 requests you know pack

3:22 residents tell us they are

3:25 unsure a way to call or where

3:27 the property manager when the

3:29 property ran and it does not

3:31 respond we need today's

3:33 herring to shed light on a

3:36 process that has frustrated

3:38 and confused residents who are

3:40 trying to live in dignity and

3:42 work toward a system that is

3:44 managed properly can improve

3:45 the well being of residents

3:46 within days so this hearing is

3:49 our chance to hold nature

3:53 accountable

3:53 . Also learning how pac

3:56 partners handle repairs we're

3:59 acting at nitra and pac

4:00 partners for more transparency e

4:05 packed transitions occur

4:07 residents need a commitment to

4:09 timely and complete work

4:11 orders regardless of who

4:13 manages the building I would

4:14 like to first of all thank my

4:17 staff michael lambert Carl

4:17 graham along with the public

4:19 housing committee staff jose

4:21 conde samia shell charles kim

4:24 spencer tron and James who and

4:26 noah schlossberg for all the

4:28 work they've put into this

4:31 hearing next we will now

4:33 welcome as we have done

4:35 traditionally in my committee

4:37 since I've become chair of

4:39 this committee we will now all

4:40 call up the pre panel pre

4:44 panelists so please approach

4:50 we have a jeremy estrada perez e

5:09 scar seat and we've also been

5:11 the Nurse and we also have

6:07 carla hollingsworth as well

6:09 and we have a patricia dickey

6:11 who's on zone we will begin

6:17 with methane scarce thank you

6:18 good to see you likewise thank

6:22 you you have three minutes

6:26 good afternoon chair Banks

6:27 members of the public housing

6:28 committee my name is mateen

6:31 serc and I serve as the co

6:32 chair of the housing land use

6:34 and zoning committee for

6:35 manhattan committee board nine e

6:37 New York City housing

6:38 authority however I'm

6:39 testifying today in my

6:40 personal

6:40 . Capacity and the views

6:41 expressed in this statement on

6:43 my own and do not reflect any

6:44 official policy or possession

6:47 . I think one of the unique

6:49 things about my experience

6:50 having come from City Council

6:53 is you know being able t

6:56 oproblem solve issues and there

6:58 was a period of time in nature k

7:03 at community centers and so I

7:05 think one of the cool things

7:07 about what night just kind of

7:09 doing at least on the section

7:12 nine side was a lot of their

7:14 reorganization really helped

7:17 to uncover the extent of the

7:20 disinvestment at nature not

7:21 just in work orders but also

7:27 in now exist online and

7:28 there's a lot more information

7:29 that tells us how bad the

7:31 situation really is a part of

7:34 the problem that I kind of see f

7:38 it's changed in the three

7:40 years that I was working on

7:42 this particular project but a

7:45 lot of the property management

7:47 operations are very siloed ah

7:50 which worked really well for

7:52 uncovering

7:52 . A lot of the issues but now

7:54 when you actually have to

7:56 address them it actually

7:58 becomes almost impossible just

8:01 because now you have a unit

8:02 with a variety of issues and

8:04 if it takes a trade skill a

8:07 certain amount of time for

8:08 each one to follow up yeah

8:09 you're going to see you know

8:11 delays for about a year or

8:14 more um and so one of the

8:17 things that I think worked

8:18 really well when we were doing

8:20 community centers and I've

8:21 tried to pass on those notes

8:23 is what it actually looks like

8:25 when we're working with a

8:26 variety of people and so just

8:28 on the community center side

8:30 what it looks like to have

8:32 trade skills a variety of

8:34 trade skills working on a

8:35 location at the same time with

8:38 capital projects because there

8:39 are things that capital

8:41 projects does that operations

8:42 doesn't know about and vice

8:44 versa and when you tend t

8:46 ohave multiple teams in one

8:48 room you tend to see a lot of

8:49 expertise come back and forth

8:51 and if he used community

8:54 partnerships at least in terms

8:55 of community centers there's

8:57 collaborative ways that you

8:58 could work with people to

9:00 address a variety of issues um r

9:05 reform that's been.

9:06 Ongoing I'd say one of the

9:07 bigger issues that we have is

9:09 the fact that the itself

9:12 doesn't have a process for

9:13 maintenance to actually

9:15 produce a variety of work

9:16 orders instead it gives the

9:20 resident to you know

9:21 essentially passing the buck

9:22 for them to figure out their

9:23 own repairs so they have t

9:24 ocall a planning person who

9:26 would manage about 300

9:28 0apartments if they're are

9:29 there or there's a position

9:31 and then even within that

9:34 planning ah it's up t

9:35 oresident to figure out the

9:36 order in that planning whether

9:39 you know whether people show

9:40 up in a certain like time set

9:43 and it doesn't seem like the

9:44 is connected to the ah

9:47 software tool tool that's

9:49 currently

9:49 . In 30 seconds to wrap up

9:51 thank you um and so as kind of

9:53 a of of that you know you tend

9:55 to have these like big gaps

9:57 into work orders um a lot of

9:59 the times there's not a real

10:01 way to kind of like reach out

10:05 to certain folks if there is

10:06 somebody in the planning unit

10:07 that's not there and so again

10:09 at the end of the day my two

10:11 biggest things are the fact

10:13 that you don't have teams of

10:16 multiple trade skills dealing

10:17 with a variety of repairs at

10:19 once and a software program

10:21 that actually connects the t

10:23 othe property management systemu

10:25 . Thank you for your testimony

10:27 now now we're going to move to

10:30 hollingsworth thank you uh

10:33 good morning chair pull the

10:34 mic a little closer that's all u

10:37 . Good morning chair members

10:39 of the committee my name is

10:40 carla hollingsworth I'm the

10:41 secretary of the stuyvesant

10:43 gardens one tenants

10:45 association I submit this

10:47 testimony concerning

10:48 conditions residents are

10:49 experiencing during the

10:51 ongoing pack construction at

10:54 stuyvesant gardens one our

10:55 fundamental concern is simple

10:57 what residents were told they

10:59 would receive through the skin

11:02 for conversion greatly differs

11:03 from what residents are

11:05 actually receiving residents

11:07 were promised major

11:07 renovations and improvements

11:09 yet work that has only

11:11 recently been completed is

11:13 already experiencing serious

11:16 failures

11:16 . Residents have temporarily

11:18 relocated for construction and

11:19 then return to apartments

11:21 represented as newly renovated

11:23 and then had to be relocated

11:25 again because of conditions

11:26 including serious leaks sewage

11:29 backing up into apartments

11:31 falling ceilings and other

11:33 failures occurring during

11:35 renovation this raises a basic

11:37 question if recently completed

11:39 work is already failing why

11:40 are the contractors being

11:42 permitted to continue moving

11:44 from apartment to apartment

11:46 without first determining why

11:48 that work failed and whether

11:50 the same problems are being

11:53 repeated elsewhere residents

11:54 should not become the quality

11:56 control inspectors for a

11:58 multimillion dollar

12:00 rehabilitation project several

12:02 residents have reported

12:02 attempting to open newly

12:05 installed windows only to have

12:07 the window frame and all come

12:09 inward and fall onto them

12:10 residents have subsequently

12:12 been instructed not to touch

12:13 or attempt to open their

12:17 windows.

12:17 A newly renovated apartment

12:19 should not be considered

12:21 complete if a resident cannot

12:22 safely operate the windows we

12:24 want to know who installed

12:25 these windows who inspected

12:27 installed windows have been

12:33 inspected and why construction

12:36 is continuing before the cause

12:37 of these failures has been

12:40 addressed residents were

12:40 initially told that there was

12:42 no asbestos nevertheless

12:44 asbestos containing miracle

12:46 material has been identified

12:48 and residents have observed

12:49 work in which asbestos

12:50 containing material is being

12:53 encapsulated rather than

12:57 removed residents deserve

12:58 complete transparency

12:59 concerning where asbestos

13:01 containing material remains

13:03 what was encapsulated what was

13:04 removed who performed the work

13:06 who inspected it and what

13:08 procedures will protect the

13:09 residents and workers if those

13:12 materials are disturbed during

13:14 future construction or repairs r

13:18 apartments were altered t

13:21 oprovide wheelchair

13:22 accessibility even though the

13:24 residents are occupying those

13:25 particular apartments did not

13:27 require accessible units we

13:29 want to be very clear

13:30 accessibility is not the

13:33 problem.

13:34 Accessible appointments are

13:35 necessary and important the

13:37 issue is what happened to the

13:40 existent residence 30 seconds

13:41 to wrap it up.

13:42 Always will widen bathrooms

13:45 enlarged to accommodate

13:46 rolling showers as a result

13:47 usable space elsewhere in the

13:49 apartments was reduced

13:50 residents were not shown the

13:51 altered floor panel floor

13:53 plans beforehand some

13:55 residents returned from

13:56 temporary relocation and

13:58 discovered that furniture and

13:59 belongings that fit into the

14:01 apartments before construction

14:02 no longer fit one resident

14:04 after seeing her altered

14:06 apartment refused to return

14:07 because she said that she

14:08 can't fit she's been

14:11 threatened that she will lose

14:13 her subsidy if she doesn't go

14:19 back you finish no I'm not

14:20 . I'll give you 30 more

14:22 seconds okay thank you

14:24 . Residents should not

14:26 discover permanent alterations

14:27 to their homes only after the

14:28 work has already been

14:32 completed residents also have

14:34 repeatedly requested

14:35 information concerning the

14:37 contractors and workers

14:38 performing construction at

14:39 stuyvesant gardens one we have

14:40 been told that managers

14:44 approximately 22 contracting

14:46 companies working

14:47 simultaneously at the

14:48 development we've repeatedly

14:49 asked who are these companies

14:50 what is each comp what work is

14:53 each company performing who's

14:55 responsible for supervising

14:56 and inspecting their work who

14:58 was accountable when that work

14:59 fails we have gotten no

15:01 answers to to date uh also

15:09 they keep telling us that it's

15:13 $380000 per unit to renovate

15:16 our development and if you

15:17 look at these apartments

15:18 somebody needs to look at

15:20 these apartments because it is

15:22 not if $15000 goes into an

15:24 apartment that's a

15:25 . Lot thank you karl

15:27 appreciate you so you can

15:29 submit that if you were it's

15:34 human able one able t

15:35 ocomplete your testimony ok all

15:38 right thank you for you

15:41 rtestimony we are now going to

15:43 move on to keat ramsey yes

15:51 okay good good afternoon ah

15:54 our priority our priority and

15:55 it's just as simple.

15:58 To make sure resident repair

15:59 requests are handled quickly

16:03 transparently and thoroughly

16:04 to achieve this we implemented

16:06 property melva a platform that

16:08 gives residents a familiar

16:09 streamlined experience much

16:10 like that that that night

16:13 you're through property mall

16:14 residents can submit work

16:16 orders directly from the phone

16:18 or computer track progress in

16:19 real time and message

16:21 maintenance staff at the same

16:23 time we ensure no resident is

16:25 left behind.

16:25 That anyone who prefers

16:27 traditional non digital

16:29 methods can call or visit our

16:32 the on site office or contract