Committee on Public Housing

Tuesday, September 22, 2026, 1 p.m. (New York City time), 250 Broadway - 8th Floor - Hearing Room 3

Committee: Committee on Public Housing

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0:06 Afternoon and welcome to today

0:06 is New York City hearing from

0:08 the committee on public

0:09 housing at this point I'd like

0:11 to remind everyone to please

0:12 sounds your electronic devices

0:12 and at no point is anyone t

0:14 oapproach the dais if you would

0:18 like to sign up for in person

0:19 testimony and haven't filled

0:20 out a slip please feel free t

0:21 ofill out one outside at the

0:23 table in the hallway chair

0:25 we're ready to begin I'm

0:27 calling this meeting to order

0:31 . Good afternoon everyone and

0:34 welcome to this hearing and

0:35 the committee of public

0:37 housing for New York City

0:40 counsel I'm Council Member

0:42 Chris Banks chair of the

0:43 committee and I'm glad to be

0:44 joined by my colleagues a

0:48 council marty and council

0:49 member s garcia um we will

0:53 hold an oversight hearing on

0:55 the work orders systems used

0:57 in nitra and pac developments

1:02 which residents used t

1:03 orequest repairs and notify

1:06 property managers of

1:07 conditions in their homes

1:10 nietzsche has to separate

1:12 systems the sibo tracks and

1:14 the residents complained and

1:16 the maximal tracks that that

1:18 tracks the work water nitra

1:22 uses work water data t

1:24 oschedule repairs direct

1:25 resources and measure

1:27 compliance with the 20 19

1:29 agreement a number of the open

1:30 work orders has risen and

1:34 fallen across mario

1:36 administrations but in the

1:37 past the City has committed

1:40 one time money to bringing the

1:42 backlog down each time before

1:46 it rises again the work order

1:49 system is the main way for

1:52 residents to report that

1:53 something is in their

1:54 household needs repair but

1:56 residents and the public have

1:58 limited ability to see how the

2:01 system performs and work or

2:04 the system only serves

2:06 developments that nitra

2:08 managers however each pack

2:10 property manager uses its own

2:13 system so residents have

2:15 complained that they're open

2:16 work orders disappear from the

2:19 nitrous system and that the

2:21 history of the issue does not

2:24 carry over to pack at nitra ce

2:26 work or the system serves only

2:29 developments that nature

2:31 managers when a development

2:32 transfer transitions to pack

2:35 it's work waters leaves

2:37 nitrates system and our then

2:39 tracked by private management.

2:42 It is unclear what happens

2:44 to the open work orders at

2:45 that point and whether nitra

2:48 keeps track or communicates

2:50 with the pack partners of

2:53 their progress and nature's

2:56 public data on work orders

2:56 only goes back one year so the

2:59 public cannot track trends.

3:01 You know residents of both

3:03 nitra and pac developments

3:05 have reported that work orders

3:06 take too long to address.

3:08 They wait for repairs

3:09 without knowing when to work a

3:12 worker will come and they tell

3:14 us that no one updates them um r

3:21 requests you know pack

3:22 residents tell us they are

3:25 unsure a way to call or where

3:27 the property manager when the

3:29 property ran and it does not

3:31 respond we need today's

3:33 herring to shed light on a

3:36 process that has frustrated

3:38 and confused residents who are

3:40 trying to live in dignity and

3:42 work toward a system that is

3:44 managed properly can improve

3:45 the well being of residents

3:46 within days so this hearing is

3:49 our chance to hold nature

3:53 accountable

3:53 . Also learning how pac

3:56 partners handle repairs we're

3:59 acting at nitra and pac

4:00 partners for more transparency e

4:05 packed transitions occur

4:07 residents need a commitment to

4:09 timely and complete work

4:11 orders regardless of who

4:13 manages the building I would

4:14 like to first of all thank my

4:17 staff michael lambert Carl

4:17 graham along with the public

4:19 housing committee staff jose

4:21 conde samia shell charles kim

4:24 spencer tron and James who and

4:26 noah schlossberg for all the

4:28 work they've put into this

4:31 hearing next we will now

4:33 welcome as we have done

4:35 traditionally in my committee

4:37 since I've become chair of

4:39 this committee we will now all

4:40 call up the pre panel pre

4:44 panelists so please approach

4:50 we have a jeremy estrada perez e

5:09 scar seat and we've also been

5:11 the Nurse and we also have

6:07 carla hollingsworth as well

6:09 and we have a patricia dickey

6:11 who's on zone we will begin

6:17 with methane scarce thank you

6:18 good to see you likewise thank

6:22 you you have three minutes

6:26 good afternoon chair Banks

6:27 members of the public housing

6:28 committee my name is mateen

6:31 serc and I serve as the co

6:32 chair of the housing land use

6:34 and zoning committee for

6:35 manhattan committee board nine e

6:37 New York City housing

6:38 authority however I'm

6:39 testifying today in my

6:40 personal

6:40 . Capacity and the views

6:41 expressed in this statement on

6:43 my own and do not reflect any

6:44 official policy or possession

6:47 . I think one of the unique

6:49 things about my experience

6:50 having come from City Council

6:53 is you know being able t

6:56 oproblem solve issues and there

6:58 was a period of time in nature k

7:03 at community centers and so I

7:05 think one of the cool things

7:07 about what night just kind of

7:09 doing at least on the section

7:12 nine side was a lot of their

7:14 reorganization really helped

7:17 to uncover the extent of the

7:20 disinvestment at nature not

7:21 just in work orders but also

7:27 in now exist online and

7:28 there's a lot more information

7:29 that tells us how bad the

7:31 situation really is a part of

7:34 the problem that I kind of see f

7:38 it's changed in the three

7:40 years that I was working on

7:42 this particular project but a

7:45 lot of the property management

7:47 operations are very siloed ah

7:50 which worked really well for

7:52 uncovering

7:52 . A lot of the issues but now

7:54 when you actually have to

7:56 address them it actually

7:58 becomes almost impossible just

8:01 because now you have a unit

8:02 with a variety of issues and

8:04 if it takes a trade skill a

8:07 certain amount of time for

8:08 each one to follow up yeah

8:09 you're going to see you know

8:11 delays for about a year or

8:14 more um and so one of the

8:17 things that I think worked

8:18 really well when we were doing

8:20 community centers and I've

8:21 tried to pass on those notes

8:23 is what it actually looks like

8:25 when we're working with a

8:26 variety of people and so just

8:28 on the community center side

8:30 what it looks like to have

8:32 trade skills a variety of

8:34 trade skills working on a

8:35 location at the same time with

8:38 capital projects because there

8:39 are things that capital

8:41 projects does that operations

8:42 doesn't know about and vice

8:44 versa and when you tend t

8:46 ohave multiple teams in one

8:48 room you tend to see a lot of

8:49 expertise come back and forth

8:51 and if he used community

8:54 partnerships at least in terms

8:55 of community centers there's

8:57 collaborative ways that you

8:58 could work with people to

9:00 address a variety of issues um r

9:05 reform that's been.

9:06 Ongoing I'd say one of the

9:07 bigger issues that we have is

9:09 the fact that the itself

9:12 doesn't have a process for

9:13 maintenance to actually

9:15 produce a variety of work

9:16 orders instead it gives the

9:20 resident to you know

9:21 essentially passing the buck

9:22 for them to figure out their

9:23 own repairs so they have t

9:24 ocall a planning person who

9:26 would manage about 300

9:28 0apartments if they're are

9:29 there or there's a position

9:31 and then even within that

9:34 planning ah it's up t

9:35 oresident to figure out the

9:36 order in that planning whether

9:39 you know whether people show

9:40 up in a certain like time set

9:43 and it doesn't seem like the

9:44 is connected to the ah

9:47 software tool tool that's

9:49 currently

9:49 . In 30 seconds to wrap up

9:51 thank you um and so as kind of

9:53 a of of that you know you tend

9:55 to have these like big gaps

9:57 into work orders um a lot of

9:59 the times there's not a real

10:01 way to kind of like reach out

10:05 to certain folks if there is

10:06 somebody in the planning unit

10:07 that's not there and so again

10:09 at the end of the day my two

10:11 biggest things are the fact

10:13 that you don't have teams of

10:16 multiple trade skills dealing

10:17 with a variety of repairs at

10:19 once and a software program

10:21 that actually connects the t

10:23 othe property management systemu

10:25 . Thank you for your testimony

10:27 now now we're going to move to

10:30 hollingsworth thank you uh

10:33 good morning chair pull the

10:34 mic a little closer that's all u

10:37 . Good morning chair members

10:39 of the committee my name is

10:40 carla hollingsworth I'm the

10:41 secretary of the stuyvesant

10:43 gardens one tenants

10:45 association I submit this

10:47 testimony concerning

10:48 conditions residents are

10:49 experiencing during the

10:51 ongoing pack construction at

10:54 stuyvesant gardens one our

10:55 fundamental concern is simple

10:57 what residents were told they

10:59 would receive through the skin

11:02 for conversion greatly differs

11:03 from what residents are

11:05 actually receiving residents

11:07 were promised major

11:07 renovations and improvements

11:09 yet work that has only

11:11 recently been completed is

11:13 already experiencing serious

11:16 failures

11:16 . Residents have temporarily

11:18 relocated for construction and

11:19 then return to apartments

11:21 represented as newly renovated

11:23 and then had to be relocated

11:25 again because of conditions

11:26 including serious leaks sewage

11:29 backing up into apartments

11:31 falling ceilings and other

11:33 failures occurring during

11:35 renovation this raises a basic

11:37 question if recently completed

11:39 work is already failing why

11:40 are the contractors being

11:42 permitted to continue moving

11:44 from apartment to apartment

11:46 without first determining why

11:48 that work failed and whether

11:50 the same problems are being

11:53 repeated elsewhere residents

11:54 should not become the quality

11:56 control inspectors for a

11:58 multimillion dollar

12:00 rehabilitation project several

12:02 residents have reported

12:02 attempting to open newly

12:05 installed windows only to have

12:07 the window frame and all come

12:09 inward and fall onto them

12:10 residents have subsequently

12:12 been instructed not to touch

12:13 or attempt to open their

12:17 windows.

12:17 A newly renovated apartment

12:19 should not be considered

12:21 complete if a resident cannot

12:22 safely operate the windows we

12:24 want to know who installed

12:25 these windows who inspected

12:27 installed windows have been

12:33 inspected and why construction

12:36 is continuing before the cause

12:37 of these failures has been

12:40 addressed residents were

12:40 initially told that there was

12:42 no asbestos nevertheless

12:44 asbestos containing miracle

12:46 material has been identified

12:48 and residents have observed

12:49 work in which asbestos

12:50 containing material is being

12:53 encapsulated rather than

12:57 removed residents deserve

12:58 complete transparency

12:59 concerning where asbestos

13:01 containing material remains

13:03 what was encapsulated what was

13:04 removed who performed the work

13:06 who inspected it and what

13:08 procedures will protect the

13:09 residents and workers if those

13:12 materials are disturbed during

13:14 future construction or repairs r

13:18 apartments were altered t

13:21 oprovide wheelchair

13:22 accessibility even though the

13:24 residents are occupying those

13:25 particular apartments did not

13:27 require accessible units we

13:29 want to be very clear

13:30 accessibility is not the

13:33 problem.

13:34 Accessible appointments are

13:35 necessary and important the

13:37 issue is what happened to the

13:40 existent residence 30 seconds

13:41 to wrap it up.

13:42 Always will widen bathrooms

13:45 enlarged to accommodate

13:46 rolling showers as a result

13:47 usable space elsewhere in the

13:49 apartments was reduced

13:50 residents were not shown the

13:51 altered floor panel floor

13:53 plans beforehand some

13:55 residents returned from

13:56 temporary relocation and

13:58 discovered that furniture and

13:59 belongings that fit into the

14:01 apartments before construction

14:02 no longer fit one resident

14:04 after seeing her altered

14:06 apartment refused to return

14:07 because she said that she

14:08 can't fit she's been

14:11 threatened that she will lose

14:13 her subsidy if she doesn't go

14:19 back you finish no I'm not

14:20 . I'll give you 30 more

14:22 seconds okay thank you

14:24 . Residents should not

14:26 discover permanent alterations

14:27 to their homes only after the

14:28 work has already been

14:32 completed residents also have

14:34 repeatedly requested

14:35 information concerning the

14:37 contractors and workers

14:38 performing construction at

14:39 stuyvesant gardens one we have

14:40 been told that managers

14:44 approximately 22 contracting

14:46 companies working

14:47 simultaneously at the

14:48 development we've repeatedly

14:49 asked who are these companies

14:50 what is each comp what work is

14:53 each company performing who's

14:55 responsible for supervising

14:56 and inspecting their work who

14:58 was accountable when that work

14:59 fails we have gotten no

15:01 answers to to date uh also

15:09 they keep telling us that it's

15:13 $380000 per unit to renovate

15:16 our development and if you

15:17 look at these apartments

15:18 somebody needs to look at

15:20 these apartments because it is

15:22 not if $15000 goes into an

15:24 apartment that's a

15:25 . Lot thank you karl

15:27 appreciate you so you can

15:29 submit that if you were it's

15:34 human able one able t

15:35 ocomplete your testimony ok all

15:38 right thank you for you

15:41 rtestimony we are now going to

15:43 move on to keat ramsey yes

15:51 okay good good afternoon ah

15:54 our priority our priority and

15:55 it's just as simple.

15:58 To make sure resident repair

15:59 requests are handled quickly

16:03 transparently and thoroughly

16:04 to achieve this we implemented

16:06 property melva a platform that

16:08 gives residents a familiar

16:09 streamlined experience much

16:10 like that that that night

16:13 you're through property mall

16:14 residents can submit work

16:16 orders directly from the phone

16:18 or computer track progress in

16:19 real time and message

16:21 maintenance staff at the same

16:23 time we ensure no resident is

16:25 left behind.

16:25 That anyone who prefers

16:27 traditional non digital

16:29 methods can call or visit our

16:32 the on site office or contract