Committee on General Welfare

Tuesday, September 22, 2026, 1 p.m. (New York City time), 250 Broadway - 8th Floor - Hearing Room 2

Committee: Committee on General Welfare

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0:04 Thank you teddy

0:04 . Hello good afternoon welcome

0:15 to today's New York City

0:16 council hearing for the

0:17 committee on general welfare

0:19 at this time please silence

0:22 all phones if you wish t

0:23 ospeak in today's hearing

0:24 please fill out on a parent's

0:26 card with one of the sergeants

0:29 moving forward no one is t

0:30 oapproach the dez chair you

0:35 begin.

0:36 Thank you so much and good

0:39 afternoon welcome to today's

0:40 hearing on legislation

0:41 concerning the City family

0:43 homelessness and eviction

0:45 prevention supplement more

0:46 commonly known as City febreze l

0:50 welfare welfare committee

0:51 chair and my pronouns are she

0:53 her New York City is facing

0:55 two intertwined crises and

0:57 acute affordable housing

0:59 shortage and a staggering

1:00 number of New yorkers who are

1:01 unhappy housed according t

1:02 othe coalition for the homeless

1:03 in July 20 26 96528 people

1:08 slept in New York City

1:10 shelters each night including

1:14 30824 children the total

1:15 number of people without homes

1:17 is far higher between folks

1:19 sleeping unsheltered and

1:19 people living doubled or

1:20 tripled up with family or

1:22 friends the number is more

1:24 likely in the hundreds of

1:25 thousands let that sink in

1:28 hundreds of thousands of our

1:29 neighbors school kids people

1:31 fleeing domestic violence

1:32 people who just can't make the

1:34 rent because it's too dam

1:35 nhigh have to question whether

1:37 they will have a roof over

1:38 their heads tonight what a

1:40 wholly unacceptable state of

1:42 affairs

1:43 . In New York City everyone

1:44 has a right to shelter but

1:47 frankly shelter isn't enough

1:49 as a City it is imperative

1:50 that we do everything we can

1:53 to get people into permanent

1:55 stable housing City febreze

1:56 I'm sorry sergeants do you

1:57 mind thank you City febreze is

1:59 one of the city's tools to do

2:00 just that as the city's main

2:03 rental assistance program City

2:05 pheap supports New yorkers who

2:06 are in shelters or at risk of

2:08 losing their homes to move

2:09 into and maintain housing

2:11 according to d s s between the

2:12 inception of City effects in

2:16 20 18 March 20 25 the program

2:17 helped 123600 excuse me 12376

2:25 2individuals secure permanent

2:27 housing understanding the dire

2:28 need for this kind of

2:29 assistance the budget for City

2:30 fabs has continually grown in

2:33 fiscal year 20 26 the City

2:35 budgeted $1.78 billion for the

2:37 program and fiscal year 20 27

2:39 that amount will rise to $1.9

2:43 7billion with even more

2:44 projected for 20 28 and 20 29

2:47 in short this is an important

2:48 program and one that the City

2:50 invests heavily in but the

2:51 program is only valuable if

2:53 people can actually access it

2:56 to do so New yorkers applying

2:57 for City feats need to be able

2:59 to understand where their

3:00 applications for assistance

3:02 stand they need to be able t

3:03 ofind eligible apartments move

3:05 into safe and habitable and

3:07 receive their rental

3:08 assistance payments reliably

3:08 and on time landlords

3:11 participating in rental

3:12 assistance programs also need

3:13 to be able to navigate the

3:15 City fees landscape

3:16 unfortunately there are pain

3:17 points at each of these stages

3:19 that block New yorkers who

3:20 really need the assistance

3:21 from benefiting from it the

3:23 five pieces of legislation

3:24 we're hearing today attempt t

3:25 oremove these roadblocks

3:26 . Intro numbers 98 101 0 1 are

3:31 sponsored by my colleague

3:32 councilmember gail Brewer

3:34 intro number 98 is about

3:35 ensuring apartments are safe

3:36 before City fees is used

3:39 towards rent while also

3:40 balancing the need for

3:41 movements to happen as

3:43 efficiently as possible intro

3:45 number 100 would require the

3:46 department of social services

3:48 or to report the average time

3:49 it takes for an individual t

3:51 osecure housing after receiving

3:53 a shopping letter a document

3:55 issued by that applicants use

3:56 while searching for an

3:57 eligible apartment intro

3:58 number 1 0 1 focuses on the

4:00 time it takes to respond to an

4:03 application for City City

4:04 febreze voucher councilmember

4:07 Brewer give a statement later

4:10 about her legislation

4:10 . In show number 641 sponsored

4:13 by Council Member addresses

4:14 the timing of rental

4:15 assistance payments this bill

4:16 would require that makes City

4:18 febreze rental assistance

4:19 payments no later later than

4:21 seven days before the first

4:22 day of the month to which the

4:24 payment applies timely

4:25 payments are important not

4:26 only for tenants but also for

4:27 landlords who participate in

4:29 the program payment delays can

4:31 create uncertainty for both

4:31 sides and can undermine the

4:33 stability City pepes eps is

4:35 intended provide he also give

4:36 a statement later finally

4:39 preconcert intro number t 26 t

4:44 20 26 14 20 24 sponsored by

4:46 Council Member murano seeks to

4:47 make the City phipps process

4:48 smoother for landlords by

4:50 requiring to administer an

4:52 online portal for landlords

4:53 who participate in rental

4:54 subsidy programs he also make

4:57 a statement later I look

4:59 forward to hearing from the

5:00 administration and the public

5:01 about these proposals I want

5:03 to conclude by thanking the

5:04 committee staff for their work

5:05 on this hearing hannah cohen

5:08 nina rosenberg justine campos

5:10 faria raymone and elizabeth

5:11 childers garcia I'd also like

5:12 to thank my staff andrew

5:14 wright l'echo rutan and demi

5:16 brown and I will now pass it

5:16 over to the committee counsel

5:18 to administer the oath to the

5:20 administration thank you

5:21 . Now in accordance with the

5:22 rules of the council I will

5:24 administer the affirmation t

5:25 othe witnesses from the mayoral

5:27 administration please raise

5:28 your right hand.

5:29 Do you affirm to tell the

5:30 truth the whole truth and

5:31 nothing but the truth in your

5:33 testimony before this

5:34 committee and respond honestly

5:37 to council members I do I do

5:40 thank you before delivering

5:41 testimony please state your

5:42 name for the record go ahead

5:49 yeah good.

5:49 Good afternoon my name is

5:51 aaron dalton and I'm the

5:52 commissioner of the department

5:53 lthe committee on general

5:59 welfare I'm aaron dalton and I

6:00 serve as the commissioner of

6:01 the department of social

6:03 services joining me today are

6:05 fra administrator scott french

6:07 and andrea reed executive

6:09 deputy deputy commissioner of

6:10 housing services

6:12 administration at thank you

6:14 for convening today's

6:15 legislative hearing and

6:15 offering me the opportunity t

6:17 oprovide feedback on the five

6:18 legislative proposals on the

6:19 agenda for today

6:19 . I want to begin by

6:21 expressing my appreciation for

6:23 our ongoing constructive

6:24 dialog and legislation and

6:27 legislative approach proposals

6:28 to the extent that legislative

6:30 proposals can benefit from

6:31 more nuanced detailed

6:33 understandings of current

6:34 practice and the impacts of

6:35 these proposals we look

6:36 forward to continuing these

6:38 conversations with the bill's

6:41 sponsors turning to the

6:41 central topic of today's

6:43 hearing City fops City phelps

6:45 was established in of 201

6:47 8with the consolidation of

6:49 several predecessor housing

6:50 voucher programs today City

6:52 fab serves more than 71000

6:54 households and a hundred 62000

6:58 New yorkers citi fab serves as

6:59 a a component of a continuum

7:00 of care that sets vulnerable

7:02 New York er's on a path

7:03 towards permanent housing well d

7:06 work in a City that cares for

7:08 its vulnerable neighbors in

7:09 this way it is worth reminding

7:12 us all that City fats is one

7:14 of several rental subsidies

7:15 established to support low

7:16 income people in need of

7:19 housing assistance and I urge

7:19 us all to continue to advocate

7:21 for federal and state housing

7:23 and rent housing and rental

7:25 subsidy investments which have

7:26 been cut considerably in

7:28 recent years briefly before

7:29 turning to the specific

7:30 legislation on the agenda

7:31 today I would like to take a

7:32 moment to share my two share

7:34 the agency and administrations

7:36 perspective on government

7:37 efficiency and government

7:39 excellence which is at the

7:40 heart of each of the bills

7:42 being discussed today the

7:43 intent of each of the bills is

7:46 to improve timeliness customer

7:47 servants customer service and

7:48 transparency of this critical

7:50 government program this is a

7:51 key pillar of the

7:54 administration demonstrated in

7:56 numerous ways but explicitly

7:57 by aiming to accelerate the

7:58 housing development and move

8:00 in process by issuing the

8:02 speed report announced in this

8:04 year likewise as we have taken

8:06 steps to improve City apps

8:08 review and approval process

8:10 including shift shifting to a

8:12 single staff review and

8:13 supervisory approval for cases

8:15 and fine tuning our focus on

8:18 eligibility for propert

8:20 yownership pay subsidy type and

8:22 clients through increased

8:23 staff and provider training

8:25 and landlord engagement our

8:26 goal is that the streamlining

8:28 of the process will result in

8:30 fewer return packages and a

8:31 reduction in the time it takes

8:33 for clients to move into

8:35 permanent housing I now turn

8:36 to the legislation on the

8:39 agenda today introduction 9

8:40 8sponsored by Council Member

8:43 what require the commissioner

8:44 of social services to deem a

8:45 dwelling unit habitable before

8:48 approving City febreze rental

8:48 assistance for that unit

8:50 . All New yorkers deserve safe

8:52 and affordable housing we

8:53 share the goal of ensuring

8:54 that City fobs inspections are

8:56 conducted quickly and result

8:57 in safe quality housing for

8:58 the New yorkers we serve while

9:00 we oppose some of the specific

9:01 requirements of the

9:02 legislation we are pleased t

9:03 oreport on a pilot program that

9:05 we think meets the intent of

9:07 introduction 98

9:08 . For the last nine months

9:10 we've been operating a pilot

9:11 program that tests many of the

9:13 approaches articulated in the

9:15 proposed legislation we

9:16 believe that the lessons from

9:17 this pilot program set forth

9:19 the foundation for an approach

9:20 that balances the desire t

9:22 oprocess applications quickly

9:25 with the need for safe housing

9:27 conditions this process allows

9:28 for inspections to be

9:30 conducted by providers in most

9:33 instances and hr inspectors

9:35 for more challenging units we

9:36 are also exploring the

9:38 establishments establishment

9:39 of a pre qualified list of

9:40 third party third party

9:41 inspectors to allow approved

9:43 organizations to inspect and

9:44 improve vacant apartments

9:45 prior to occupancy occupancy

9:47 for all newly constructed

9:49 buildings like the proposed

9:51 legislation our approach now

9:53 distinguishes between minor

9:54 and major repairs and our

9:56 expedited re inspection

9:57 process offers an opportunity

9:59 to promptly remedy minor

10:01 faults and relay that evidence

10:04 to hr landlords send photos

10:06 documenting that the failures

10:07 have been addressed and that

10:08 the unit unit now meets

10:11 habitability standards virtual

10:12 inspections have proven to b

10:13 ea valuable tool in both

10:15 maintaining agency safety and

10:17 habitability standards and

10:18 from an efficiency perspective

10:21 . Each era uses virtual

10:23 inspections and or reines uses

10:25 virtual inspections for re

10:27 inspection using whatsapp or

10:29 facetime to help streamline

10:31 the process further we'll be

10:31 ready to roll out these

10:33 process improvements system

10:34 wide in the first quarter of

10:37 next year while unattended if

10:39 adopted as drafted this bill

10:40 would limit our flexibility

10:42 increase burden and time t

10:44 oprocess and require the

10:45 addition of many more fra

10:46 inspectors and inspections we

10:48 are committed to responsible

10:50 and expedited approval moving

10:51 timeliness for City fabs

10:53 clients and we think the

10:54 current process well balances

10:56 the joint goals of product

10:57 processing quickly and

10:58 ensuring safe housing for New

10:59 yorkers we serve we look

11:00 forward to the discussion of

11:02 the proposed legislation and

11:04 changes we've made to the

11:05 process and hope they meet the

11:06 underlying goals of the

11:09 proposed legislation

11:09 . Introduction 100 sponsored

11:11 by Council Member would

11:13 require the department of

11:14 social services to annually

11:16 annually submit to the Mayor

11:17 and the speaker of the council

11:18 and to include in mayor's

11:20 management management report

11:21 the average time it takes for

11:23 an individual to secure

11:24 housing after receiving a

11:25 voucher we share the aim of

11:27 advancing transparency through

11:29 timely and accurate reporting

11:30 of relevant data we are able

11:32 to report on the metric

11:33 proposed in the legislation

11:34 but we hope to have further

11:36 discussion with the bill's

11:37 sponsor around the

11:38 interpretation of these

11:38 metrics and whether they are

11:40 the best metrics to use to

11:41 assess the City phelps program s

11:45 impacting timelines from time

11:46 of receipt of initial initial

11:48 shopping letter to move out

11:50 including a historically low

11:51 vacancy rate for affordabl

11:52 epermanent housing units for

11:55 instance a survivor of

11:56 domestic violence be limited

11:58 geographically to ensure

12:00 safety another household be

12:01 focused on finding housing in

12:03 a particular borough due to

12:03 the location of there child

12:05 school and health services.

12:07 In addition to the

12:09 challenges posed by attempting

12:10 to gain general insights from

12:12 a nuanced metric already

12:14 reports on various metrics

12:16 including local law 79 lengthy

12:18 stay reporting for rental

12:20 assistance programs and we

12:21 would like to explore whether

12:23 the sponsor would feels the

12:25 benefit of explore with the

12:25 sponsor the benefit of adding

12:27 this additional metric

12:30 introduction 1 0 1 sponsored

12:32 by Council Member would

12:33 require the department of

12:35 social services to respond t

12:36 ocity febreze frontal

12:37 assistance applications within

12:39 15 days of receipt to inform

12:40 the applicant of whether the

12:41 application has been approved