Committee on Veterans

Monday, June 22, 2026, 10 a.m. (New York City time), 250 Broadway - 8th Floor - Hearing Room 1

Committee: Committee on Veterans

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The Committee on Veterans, chaired by Council Member Frank Morano, held an oversight hearing on programs and services for LGBTQ+ veterans, coinciding with Pride Month, and heard two bills: Intro 914 (sponsored by the chair, carried over from former Chair Robert Holden, requiring a study and pilot program on reconsolidation of traumatic memories therapy for veterans) and Intro 928 (sponsored by Minority Leader David Carr, establishing an LGBTQ+ liaison within the Department of Veterans Services). Commissioner of the Department of Veterans Services testified that the agency supports Intro 928's goals, already has two designated LGBTQ+ liaisons, and is exploring a certificate of eligibility for LGBTQ+ veterans, while noting the pilot program in Intro 914 would not be operationally feasible for the agency, suggesting Health + Hospitals collaboration. Council members questioned the department on data collection gaps, discharge upgrade caseloads, outreach effectiveness, and health care coordination. Five members of the public testified, including SAGE, the New York Health Foundation, and veteran advocates, with mixed views: support for Intro 928 but criticism of Intro 914's evidence base and of codifying liaisons. No votes were taken during the meeting.

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0:20 Was saying basically, yeah.

0:20 Good morning and welcome t

0:39 otoday's New York City Council

0:41 hearing from.

0:41 The committee on veteran

0:43 affairs at this time I'd like

0:44 to remind everyone to police

0:46 on their electronic devices

0:47 and no points to anyone t

0:48 oapproach the dais. If you

0:49 would like to sign up for

0:50 public testimony and have not

0:51 done so already feel free to

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0:54 nthe hallway with the sergeant

0:55 arms chair. We're ready t

1:01 obegin. Good morning. I am

1:03 councilman Frank moreno. I

1:04 have the pleasure and honor of

1:06 sharing the veterans committee

1:08 of the New York City Council.

1:09 I want to thank everybody

1:11 who's joining us here in

1:12 person. I want to thank

1:13 everybody who is watching the

1:15 azuma wanted to thank

1:16 everybody that's watching on

1:17 cable television when there's

1:19 nothing else on, but I really

1:21 want to thank everybody for

1:23 tuning in, however, they're

1:26 tuning in for such an

1:27 important topic and today our

1:30 oversight hearing is on

1:32 programs and services for lgb

1:34 tq plus veterans. Um, when I

1:39 first took over this committee

1:41 . I mentioned that to me

1:43 veterans issues were the one

1:46 issue that should be an

1:48 ideally would be totally non

1:51 conservatives love talking

1:52 about veterans issues because

1:54 it deals with patriotism

1:55 ,defending the country, all

1:56 sorts of thing thast

1:58 traditionally conservatives

1:59 are all about a lot of

2:02 progressives love focusing on

2:03 veterans issues because it

2:04 gives them an opportunity t

2:06 otalk about health care and

2:08 housing and all sorts of

2:09 things that progressives are

2:12 all about on a regular basis

2:14 and to me. The thing that I

2:16 loved most about this

2:17 committee is we have members

2:20 on both sides of the political

2:21 spectrum, and we are all

2:22 rowing in the same direction

2:25 to deliver for New yorkers and

2:26 especially for the veterans

2:28 that have served us nowhere

2:31 where that more noticeable

2:33 than in terms of the issues

2:36 that are uniquely facing lgbt

2:39 plus veterans as our committee

2:42 has research and as we get

2:45 into, uh, lgbt veterans have a

2:47 higher instance of ptsd. Lgbt

2:51 veterans have higher incidents

2:53 of being victimized by sexual

2:55 assault and a number of other

2:58 things that even after the

2:59 ending of don't ask, don't

3:02 tell, continue to permeate

3:03 throughout the veterans

3:05 community and this committee,

3:07 which has some very dedicated

3:08 council members on it is not

3:10 going to just sit by and

3:12 accept that as the New status

3:14 quo. So what? I'm hoping we

3:15 can get out in today's hearing

3:17 is a playbook is a playbook

3:19 for or legislative action a

3:23 playbook for the awareness in

3:25 a way that we can fix what is

3:28 a very real problem. I do want

3:31 to mention two things that are

3:33 particularly important given

3:34 the circumstances and given

3:36 our history is a I want to

3:38 give a big congratulations to

3:40 retired sergeant first class

3:43 dominick pepe from woodhaven

3:45 for his induction into the New

3:47 York state veterans hall of

3:49 fame. Uh, not long ago. I did

3:50 not even know there was a New

3:52 York state veterans hall of

3:53 fame and, uh, to me, dominick

3:56 pepe is exactly the type of

3:58 person that this hearing is

3:59 focused on today and I'm glad

4:01 to see that he's been

4:02 recognized on a statewide

4:05 basis. I also want to take a

4:05 moment to speak about the

4:07 legacy of a staten islander

4:08 who lives in my district and

4:10 there's a street name for him.

4:13 Six minutes from my office and

4:14 10 minutes from where I grew

4:15 up and that is James jimmy

4:18 zappa, lordy gay vietnam war

4:21 veteran who was murdered

4:22 because of his sexual

4:25 orientation. His murder was

4:27 the first officially

4:28 designated hate crime in the

4:29 borough of staten island and

4:32 his plight inspired activism

4:33 that led to the passage of the

4:34 New York state hate crimes act

4:36 of the year 2000, which was

4:39 signed by governor pataki,

4:41 which allowed harsher

4:42 penalties for crimes motivated

4:44 by bias against race, religio

4:46 n, sexual orientation, et

4:48 cetera

4:49 , and za pilar eddie's murder

4:50 did more than just cause grief

4:52 his legacy united communities.

4:55 It sparked a level of activism

4:58 that really hadn't been seen

5:00 before, certainly in the

5:02 staten island south shore

5:03 community, certainly in the

5:05 lgbt community and certainly

5:06 in the military veteran

5:08 community. There was these

5:10 apollo lardy society, which

5:11 was founded in 19 92 and the

5:14 pride center of staten island,

5:15 which was founded in 2013 an

5:18 dall about providing lasting

5:20 support and services to staten

5:22 islands lgbtq plus.

5:25 Community. Uh, let say a

5:26 word or two in an observation

5:28 or two about our lgbt q plus

5:32 veterans between 19 80 in 19

5:37 93 over 19000 lgbt plus

5:40 service members were

5:41 discharged, many with other

5:43 than honorable statuses and

5:45 under don't ask, don't tell

5:47 more than 13000 were denied

5:51 benefits recognition and

5:51 dignity, and you think about

5:53 that, these people are just in

5:55 need of thee bail. These

5:58 people are just in as much in

5:59 need of health care of housing

6:02 and to think that they were

6:04 denied anything that should be

6:06 rightly given to a veteran who

6:08 has risked their lives in the

6:09 service of our country. It's

6:12 abomablein, and these policies

6:15 force veterans to lose healt

6:16 hcare, education and retirement

6:18 benefits while at the same

6:21 time enduring discrimination,

6:23 harassment and trauma in

6:24 service to their country

6:26 . Even today in persist with

6:28 about a thousand transgender

6:29 service members discharged

6:33 after the 20 25 ban on their

6:34 service 20 25 as a result of

6:37 sviolence against lgbt plus

6:45 indidualvis lgbt plus veterans

6:46 face higher rates of mental

6:48 health challenges suicide,

6:50 ptsd and chronic illness there

6:55 also significantly more likely

6:55 to experience military sexual

6:57 trauma and assault further

6:59 ,compounding a lot of these

7:00 health issues at.

7:01 The same time we have a real

7:05 problem with data. There are

7:08 major gaps in the data nearly

7:12 89%, a va records lack gender

7:15 identity, information making

7:17 lgbtq plus veterans largely

7:20 invisible in official counts.

7:22 National estimate suggests

7:22 there are around one minute

7:26 ylgbt plus veterans while in

7:27 New York state. There be

7:29 around 70000, most of them

7:31 believed to be concentrated in

7:32 New York City, although as I

7:34 indicated because of the lack

7:35 of data we don't know exactly

7:38 for sure together.

7:39 These realities underscore

7:40 the importance of ensuring

7:42 lgbt plus veterans are see

7:45 nrecognized for their service

7:46 to the country supported and

7:48 connected to comprehensive

7:50 ,affirming health care and

7:50 services that they've earne

7:54 din addition to our oversight

7:54 topic today. We're going to be

7:57 hearing two very important

7:59 pieces of legislation. We're

8:00 going to be hearing intro

8:03 number 9 1 4, which is

8:07 sponsored by me, uh, which is

8:08 a great bill as you might

8:10 expect, which would require a

8:13 study and recommendations o

8:14 nthe feasibility and

8:16 implementing a pilot program

8:19 to provide reconsolidation of

8:20 traumatic memories therapy for

8:22 veterans, let me say a word on

8:24 this bill unlike any other

8:26 bill that I've introduced this

8:29 didn't come from an idea that

8:31 I had within a constituent

8:32 brought to me or that I

8:34 researched this bill was

8:36 introduced by the prior chair

8:38 of the veterans committee, bob

8:39 holden. And even though it had

8:41 been passed by the veterans

8:42 committee in the last City

8:44 council it never got to be

8:45 voted on by the council as a

8:47 whole. So, um what? I'm hoping

8:49 to get at today is exactly

8:52 what this particular type of

8:54 therapy would do. I know it's

8:56 been controversial in some

8:58 quarters and what New York

8:59 City could do to explore this

9:01 as a viable therapy for

9:03 dealing with ptsd if this bill

9:06 needs to be amended to better

9:08 reflect the realities of how

9:09 New York City would handle

9:10 this. I'm all about amending

9:12 it, even though this is my

9:13 bell. This is not a bill that

9:16 I have necessarily a rooting

9:18 interest seeing in its current

9:19 form I am all about changing

9:22 it, uh, or adapting it or

9:24 expanding its based on the

9:26 testimony we're going to hear

9:26 from the administration and

9:30 hopefully.

9:31 The public. The other

9:31 legislation we're hearing

9:33 today is another ver

9:34 yimportant piece of legislation

9:37 introduced by um which is

9:39 intro number nine to wait.

9:42 Sponsored by minority leader

9:43 David carney, which would

9:46 amend the administrative code

9:46 of the City of New York in

9:48 relation to establishing an

9:52 lgbt liaison within the

9:53 department of veteran services

9:55 for those of you that are

9:56 unfamiliar with minority

9:57 leader. Car. He's the best

9:59 Council Member of this body

10:01 has and certainly the best

10:02 island hats, I would love for

10:04 the minority leader to speak

10:04 on his bill. Thank you, chair.

10:08 I appreciate the pan of prais

10:10 e, but I have to start by

10:12 thanking you and commending

10:13 you for your leadership of

10:14 this committee since the start

10:16 of the term you've shown in

10:18 these last six months and

10:20 energy, enthusiasm and

10:23 determination to improve the

10:23 lot of the New York City

10:24 veteran community that I think

10:25 is not only commendable, but

10:27 it's necessary, I think that

10:28 we always have to have a focus

10:29 on those who served many of

10:32 whom served in combat, many o

10:33 fwhom served and came back

10:35 after traumatic experiences or

10:37 physically traumatic injuries.

10:39 These people were willing t

10:40 ogive their lives for our

10:43 nation and the least we could

10:44 do is support them now that

10:44 they're home and their pursuit

10:45 of jobs in their pursuit of

10:47 housing and their pursuit of

10:48 justice in some cases in

10:50 pursuit of a life of happiness

10:52 that they more than earned

10:53 with their service, so thank

10:55 you, chair for all of your

10:56 advocacy on behalf of this

10:58 wonderful community. Um I also

10:59 want to thank commissioner

11:00 motto for being here today. We

11:02 had a productive conversation

11:03 last week about the staten

11:04 island veteran community and I

11:07 think the New York City

11:07 community at large and I look

11:08 forward to continuing to work

11:09 with you and your team. I

11:11 appreciate you being here t

11:12 ogive feedback on these pieces

11:14 of legislation a this will

11:16 mark 15 years since congress

11:18 repealed the infamous don't

11:20 ask, don't tell policy, which

11:23 was supposed to allow lgbt

11:25 americans to serve in the

11:26 military as long as they did

11:28 not openly disclose their

11:30 sexual orientation intended as

11:31 a so called compromise, which

11:32 was in order to end

11:34 discrimination against gay and

11:35 lesbian and bisexual

11:36 individuals in the military.

11:39 In many ways, it did quite the

11:40 opposite, forcing people who

11:41 are willing to give their

11:41 lives to serve their country a

11:45 an opportunity to go back into

11:47 the closet sadly and buy some

11:48 estimates between world war

11:50 and die repeal in 2011. The

11:53 military discharge, as many as

11:54 a hundred 14000 service

11:56 members on the basis of their

11:58 actual or perceived sexual

12:00 orientation, and I think the

12:01 lesson of that period before d

12:04 a. D, the period in which it

12:05 was in place and then, of

12:06 course, the period since its

12:07 repeal. I think the lesson of

12:09 each of those those points in

12:11 time is that everyone should

12:13 be allowed to serve openly in

12:15 our nation's military,

12:15 regardless of their sexual

12:16 orientation or their gender

12:18 identity if you are willing to

12:19 put your life on the line for

12:21 the united states of america,

12:22 that is a commendable thing it

12:24 shows the inherent bravery and

12:25 character of who you are.

12:28 That's what speaks to the kind

12:29 of person that those

12:30 individuals are who want to

12:31 serve in that way and they

12:32 should all be given the

12:34 opportunity to do so freely

12:36 and openly and genuinely a

12:36 swho they are.

12:39 Um, the military continues

12:40 in all cases to issue service

12:43 members a characterization of

12:44 service upon their discharge

12:46 or discharged status and most

12:48 service members receive an

12:49 honorable discharge status,

12:51 which entitles each of them to

12:53 their va benefits, but those

12:54 who are discharged under

12:56 received a less than honorable

12:59 discharge, such as a general

13:00 discharge under honorable

13:01 conditions and other than

13:02 honorable discharge, a bad

13:04 conduct, discharge or even I

13:05 nsome cases a dishonorable

13:07 discharge as a result they

13:08 cannot access some of the

13:10 essential benefits awarded to

13:11 those who have served our

13:12 country's this is the

13:14 education benefits, health

13:15 benefits burials in the va

13:16 national cemetery and money

13:19 many more a when congress

13:21 repealed in 20 11, the

13:23 military established a process

13:25 for veterans discharged under

13:25 the policy to remove

13:27 justifications related t

13:29 otheir sexual orientation from

13:30 their paperwork and upgrade

13:31 their discharged status t

13:34 ohonorable yet that process

13:34 shamefully place the burden on

13:35 individual service members to

13:37 correct their records after

13:38 many of them had endured years

13:40 back years in decades, in some

13:45 cases to complete this

13:46 procedure, veterans must

13:47 assemble a variety of old

13:48 records in most cases a the

13:51 help the help of an attorney's

13:53 required and typically wait 18

13:54 months or more for the board

13:55 that the sides these

13:56 discharged status changes t

13:59 oupgrade those petitions a with

14:00 their respective military

14:01 branch of servi ifce they

14:03 exhaust their administrative

14:04 remedies, veterans must file

14:05 an appeal in court, uh, for

14:07 which they must seek the help

14:08 of a lawyer often at great

14:09 cost it is unclear how many